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Post by Pilot on Oct 14, 2018 16:35:13 GMT
That isn't the point. It is illegal. However if one side of the road is blocked and preventing you from passing it is allowed as long as it is safe to do so. Just using the wrong side of the Island for the sake of it is dangerous driving and illegal. In that situation shown that driver should not have done that because it is a blind bend. Even if the lights are red. As said above he should have waited for the lorry to move. Those lanes could be a bit wider. Overall probably safer to straddle the lanes. Overall the geniuses who design roads these days do not make them Bus or Lorry Friendly. Example Lewisham Rennell Street the right turn into Lewisham High Street. The amount of buses and other traffic I see using the incorrect lane to push in at the top. Should have made it wider and the middle lane for traffic going left and right. And move the pedestrian crossing further down as it's in such a ridiculous place on Rennell Street - and then they wonder why people cross at the junction instead despite it being dangerous to do so. It's normally non issue if some cars or buses jump into the middle lane to go right because Rennel Street is so congested and the way the traffic lights work if you're playing by the book, you'll sit there for 5-10 minutes in heavy traffic...where as sometimes these GoAhead bus drivers(somewhat rant lol) using the middle lane to turn right actually help the traffic flow rather than block entire Rennel Street by driving by the book. The bigger problem is people jumping the line or red light and causing blocage at which nobody can go anywhere...I am almost certain things would work so much smooth around there if people didn't ignore lights, but there is always 1 idiot which gets followed by 10 more idiots and now you got a 10 min delay due to bottleneck.
Other than that, the whole traffic light system is flawed there but hey at least we got some nice un-affordable housing and more toxic environment.
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2018 4:53:54 GMT
In fairness to the driver there was no chance of anything coming round the corner in the opposite direction because the lights would be red, although that doesn't excuse the drivers actions of course. The only justification could be if the lorry had broken down and there was no other option but it appears to be just impatience on the part of the bus driver. That isn't the point. It is illegal. However if one side of the road is blocked and preventing you from passing it is allowed as long as it is safe to do so. Just using the wrong side of the Island for the sake of it is dangerous driving and illegal. In that situation shown that driver should not have done that because it is a blind bend. Even if the lights are red. As said above he should have waited for the lorry to move. Those lanes could be a bit wider. Overall probably safer to straddle the lanes. Overall the geniuses who design roads these days do not make them Bus or Lorry Friendly. Example Lewisham Rennell Street the right turn into Lewisham High Street. The amount of buses and other traffic I see using the incorrect lane to push in at the top. Should have made it wider and the middle lane for traffic going left and right. It's not quite a blind bend, there is only a low wall and it is possible to see something coming the other way, still doesn't excuse the drivers actions though and it's asking for trouble with so many cameras about. I suspect this was just an isolated incident rather than a daily occurrence as suggested in the article. The road layout at East Croydon isn't ideal, especially trying to get out of the 'mini bus station' in the opposite direction but it's probably the best that can be achieved in the space available. I agree about Lewisham and I don't know why there aren't two lanes in each direction outside the police station rather than having a third lane northbound that only runs a short distance and doesn't serve much purpose. |
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2018 5:24:42 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 15, 2018 6:22:43 GMT
Agreed I also think the Government cut in subsidies to Bus operators and reducing what they pay to operators for concessions and also the ridiculously expensive fares operators charge doesn't help , for example in the Essex town of South Woodham Ferrers there is only one main Bus route to Chelmsford the nearest major Town centre it's £8 return !! Works out cheaper to drive or even get train at the right time of the day , as much as the fares are overpriced if the operators receive no subsidy and not alot of people use routes not much they can really do but have high fares and they probably still operate at a loss , we Londoners don't realise how lucky we are at times . |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 15, 2018 6:51:35 GMT
This is one heck of a traffic bus jam
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 7:05:17 GMT
This is one heck of a traffic bus jam Was mad yesterday. One of those buses was me. Got run through to Belvedere then got turned at Charlton on the way back. Lost an hour there. Some buses were getting diverted by the controller away from the area. The bus lane was actually kept open down Plumstead Road. This jam was caused by traffic jumping the lgihts and tailbacks from the diversion route for cars. What that picture doesn't show is that the jam was a lot longer than that. It was actually going all the way down to Calderwood Street. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 15, 2018 9:36:04 GMT
Not sure I quite agree it's mostly lifestyle related. It is clearly a factor *but* if services are being cut repeatedly or people lose part of a servce they used they are left with no choice to find an alternative. Also both Labour and Tory governments have switched off the "fuel duty escalator" which has massively skewed the cost of car ownership relative to public transport costs. This is a ludicrous decision from the point of view of economic rationality and the environment as it just pushes people into life long car dependency. Obviously it's pure politics because of the power of the oil and motoring lobby and not wishing to "upset" car owners but as a long term policy is it illiterate. Bus usage and the integrity of bus networks are the obvious casualty from this policy but so is air quality and congestion that affects everyone. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2018 11:22:23 GMT
Is that really true that less people are going out on the evening? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 15, 2018 11:29:30 GMT
Is that really true that less people are going out on the evening? I was thinking the same, if anything I'd say that trend is increasing with people going out on weekday evenings more as well. |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 15, 2018 11:54:51 GMT
Less people? Are they having a laugh...besides isn't London not just about the numbers and what makes the TFL money? It's supposed to be one of the greatest public transport network of all the main cities so that people can connect pretty much anywhere around the city at least until midnight...it shouldn't really matter if it's only 5 people using 1 bus at night, to those people that may be the only ride home or way of connection to other means of travel. Besides they should perhaps try to hop on the overfilled buses at any of the shopping centers to see how 'less' people use buses lol.
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 15, 2018 11:59:29 GMT
Less people? Are they having a laugh...besides isn't London not just about the numbers and what makes the TFL money? It's supposed to be one of the greatest public transport network of all the main cities so that people can connect pretty much anywhere around the city at least until midnight...it shouldn't really matter if it's only 5 people using 1 bus at night, to those people that may be the only ride home or way of connection to other means of travel. Besides they should perhaps try to hop on the overfilled buses at any of the shopping centers to see how 'less' people use buses lol. I think the word that the TFL bean counters have overlooked is "SERVICE"  |
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2018 12:05:35 GMT
Less people? Are they having a laugh...besides isn't London not just about the numbers and what makes the TFL money? It's supposed to be one of the greatest public transport network of all the main cities so that people can connect pretty much anywhere around the city at least until midnight...it shouldn't really matter if it's only 5 people using 1 bus at night, to those people that may be the only ride home or way of connection to other means of travel. Besides they should perhaps try to hop on the overfilled buses at any of the shopping centers to see how 'less' people use buses lol. Not really, I was in Croydon on a Saturday night recently and couldn't help notice how empty many buses were, buses that would have been busy a few years ago. The amount of pub closures would suggest that people aren't going as much of an evening and if they are they are certainly not going by bus, I guess if you can afford a night you can afford a taxi and it's the same in Brighton on a Saturday night, plenty of taxi activity but not many people using buses. Reality is a bus carrying five people is simply not viable. |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 15, 2018 12:13:29 GMT
Less people? Are they having a laugh...besides isn't London not just about the numbers and what makes the TFL money? It's supposed to be one of the greatest public transport network of all the main cities so that people can connect pretty much anywhere around the city at least until midnight...it shouldn't really matter if it's only 5 people using 1 bus at night, to those people that may be the only ride home or way of connection to other means of travel. Besides they should perhaps try to hop on the overfilled buses at any of the shopping centers to see how 'less' people use buses lol. Not really, I was in Croydon on a Saturday night recently and couldn't help notice how empty many buses were, buses that would have been busy a few years ago. The amount of pub closures would suggest that people aren't going as much of an evening and if they are they are certainly not going by bus, I guess if you can afford a night you can afford a taxi and it's the same in Brighton on a Saturday night, plenty of taxi activity but not many people using buses. Reality is a bus carrying five people is simply not viable. Well yeah it's due to a lot of things, food gets delivered now from any joint, as well as groceries but meh...reducing service will be shame on TFL tbh as much as it may be realistic thing to do. |
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
Not really, I was in Croydon on a Saturday night recently and couldn't help notice how empty many buses were, buses that would have been busy a few years ago. The amount of pub closures would suggest that people aren't going as much of an evening and if they are they are certainly not going by bus, I guess if you can afford a night you can afford a taxi and it's the same in Brighton on a Saturday night, plenty of taxi activity but not many people using buses. Reality is a bus carrying five people is simply not viable. Well yeah it's due to a lot of things, food gets delivered now from any joint, as well as groceries but meh...reducing service will be shame on TFL tbh as much as it may be realistic thing to do. Exactly that, people have all the home entertainment they want and they can get a takeaway delivered to the front door. Not much alternative to reducing bus services and it's not only in London it's happening. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2018 13:41:41 GMT
Less people? Are they having a laugh...besides isn't London not just about the numbers and what makes the TFL money? It's supposed to be one of the greatest public transport network of all the main cities so that people can connect pretty much anywhere around the city at least until midnight...it shouldn't really matter if it's only 5 people using 1 bus at night, to those people that may be the only ride home or way of connection to other means of travel. Besides they should perhaps try to hop on the overfilled buses at any of the shopping centers to see how 'less' people use buses lol. Not really, I was in Croydon on a Saturday night recently and couldn't help notice how empty many buses were, buses that would have been busy a few years ago. The amount of pub closures would suggest that people aren't going as much of an evening and if they are they are certainly not going by bus, I guess if you can afford a night you can afford a taxi and it's the same in Brighton on a Saturday night, plenty of taxi activity but not many people using buses. Reality is a bus carrying five people is simply not viable. Not necessarily - for starters, there are cocktail bars, restaurants, clubs & even a mix of two of those aspects so pub closures wouldn't of done as much damage as you say especially as many people walked to their local boozer anyway. Brighton is different in that people have more income at hand due to lower rents & house prices not to mention bus fares are probably a lot closer to taxis than in London where bus fares are still substantially cheaper. I hear Brightons night bus network is quite well used particularly the 25 route which I hear is packed at night? |
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