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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 8:50:08 GMT
I doubt this will make any difference to the 724, as its a Greenline service, so will not gain any TGM livery. Ware is now under the Arriva The Shires legals, so this probably wont have anything to do with the Network Harlow operations. The 724 operations probably wont be mixed between Ware and Harlow any longer, seeing as they will be under completley different observations. It is likely that the 724 operations will go completley under Harlow, or just go to another Arriva garage. TGM is Arriva ... so do not see why the current arrangements on the 724 have to change Well currently it is shared between Ware and Harlow. Ware is an Arriva The Shires garage (was an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage), but Harlow will soon change from an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage to a TGM garage. This would maybe make sharing between the two garages a bit more complicated. Of course, it might not be complicated if TGM becomes much more closer to Arriva. TGM still has seperate legals (TGM GROUP LTD), which is probably staying as the Harlow routes are beginning to be registered under this legal name. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 9:36:53 GMT
Network Colchester has the old 726 ALX300s. Still in same livery. Same interor as well, no refurbishment?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 14:41:51 GMT
Network Colchester has the old 726 ALX300s. Still in same livery. Same interor as well, no refurbishment? I think they have been repainted (in the same livery), but refurbishments are quite rare out of London ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 6:02:59 GMT
Network Colchester has the old 726 ALX300s. Still in same livery. Same interor as well, no refurbishment? I think they have been repainted (in the same livery), but refurbishments are quite rare out of London ;D A company I have never heard of seems to be taken over the TWH routes. Cound be a reincarnation of them possibly |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 17:08:41 GMT
It is a job to keep up with what is going on in the Harlow area so not sure if this has been mentions but Centre Bus are taking over the 524 which is currently operated by S&M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 21:33:45 GMT
It is a job to keep up with what is going on in the Harlow area so not sure if this has been mentions but Centre Bus are taking over the 524 which is currently operated by S&M I don't think they are taking over the route, more like going into competition. SM Coaches have only recently registered timetable changes to their 524 from 16th August. It makes sense for Centrebus to operate this corridor, seeing as many routes around Hertford operate from the Harlow base. Also, SM (under the Roadrunner trading name) are setting up new route R3 in competition with Centrebus' C3, so Centrebus probably want to get back at them along the Harlow-Hertford corridor. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 18:26:59 GMT
It is a job to keep up with what is going on in the Harlow area so not sure if this has been mentions but Centre Bus are taking over the 524 which is currently operated by S&M I don't think they are taking over the route, more like going into competition. SM Coaches have only recently registered timetable changes to their 524 from 16th August. It makes sense for Centrebus to operate this corridor, seeing as many routes around Hertford operate from the Harlow base. Also, SM (under the Roadrunner trading name) are setting up new route R3 in competition with Centrebus' C3, so Centrebus probably want to get back at them along the Harlow-Hertford corridor. I would have thought it might make sense to operate some journeys to St Albans |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 21:59:22 GMT
I have heard today that the new Network Harlow operation is to be a low-cost operation to compete with SM etc on the town routes, whereas the out-of-town routes 59, 505, 510 etc and presumably the Waltham Cross area routes will remain Arriva. It was said that the two operations will be separate, but will share the same premises, presumably Arriva will use the garage and Network Harlow the yard or something like that.
Don't know how true this is, but it comes from a Harlow driver. It all sounds unnecessarily complicated, but then anything to do with buses in Harlow usually is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 5:44:12 GMT
I have heard today that the new Network Harlow operation is to be a low-cost operation to compete with SM etc on the town routes, whereas the out-of-town routes 59, 505, 510 etc and presumably the Waltham Cross area routes will remain Arriva. It was said that the two operations will be separate, but will share the same premises, presumably Arriva will use the garage and Network Harlow the yard or something like that. Don't know how true this is, but it comes from a Harlow driver. It all sounds unnecessarily complicated, but then anything to do with buses in Harlow usually is. It would not make much difference to costs if they do that. How exactly would they save the costs? Presumably they would both pick up their share of garage costs & I cannot see them having two Arriva companies using the same garage & on different pay rates & presumably both companies would have to register their services & the garage. Another problem they have is the garage is too big for the number of services they now operate although there are still rumours that they will close their Ware base and move most of those routes into Harlow with a couple of buses for the 724 going to Watford & the 331 to Stevenage |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 22:05:13 GMT
Well I can't see any sense to it either. Just passing on what's been heard. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 14:08:07 GMT
It looks like all the TWH routes will be under the trading name Townlynx after it goes under the Gemma Smith Ltd legals. Timetables have appeared on Traveline using this trading name.
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Post by Late Again on Jul 22, 2010 15:17:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 16:32:53 GMT
The only comany with that name is Name & Registered Office: GEMMA SMITH LIMITED 1 BARLOW WAY SOUTH FAIRVIEW INDUSTRIAL ESTATE MARSH WAY RAINHAM ESSEX RM13 8RH Company No. 02901605 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 21:04:05 GMT
There is a Townlynx in North Wales, but I doubt it is related in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 21:12:10 GMT
Visited Harlow today and noticed that the nice new buses on the 510 seem to have largely disappeared, being replaced by the older low-floor Wright-bodied vehicles from the 500/501, which in turn are being substantially operated by a rag-bag of vehicles, including N-reg step-entrance buses in TGM livery, with Excel legal lettering, and a bit of paper "on hire to Arriva" in the window.
Presumably Arriva are moving anything that has a value (ie, not much) from Harlow, in order to leave it with a pile of cascaded old ****. I would expect some of the newer Solos to go as well when the ECC tender losses kick in.
And that is how "Network Harlow" will be cheaper to operate. In accounting terms, they will have a load of effectively life-expired vehicles which have no depreciation to worry about, and no doubt new staff will have less favourable pay and conditions. Trebles all round for the Arriva directors, as Private Eye would say.
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