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Post by TA1 on Oct 26, 2010 13:51:39 GMT
That strange sound is of a 36-year-old traction motor on it's way out Well, something needs to be done to improve the Lea Valley lines - it ain't right seeing a 315 on the line;D I thought most of the 315's go on the slower route via Seven Sisters? I read in RAIL magazine about the 321's possibly being moved, it's not of my volition ;D You can KEEP the purple Silverlink ones if u like ;D ;D Saw one at Stratford yesterday actually, was kinda odd lol. Saying that, you should try being on a 315 going up the mainline between Stratford and Romford ;D Only stop served.....Ilford What purple Silverlink ones? Most of them have been repainted plain white now ;D The interior is better than the one First put in though. Seems to be very similar to the old NSE interior which brings back good memories of the 312's that used to run alongide them I Have to admit on The Great Eastern Side the Class 315' get thrashed that seven minute stretch between LST and Stratford and Semi fast services show that 315' aren't on their last legs just yet. Oh how i miss hearing them 312's screaming up and down the GEML, The 360's aren't the same tbh; the ex silverlink 321' look abit shabby internally.
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 27, 2010 7:10:20 GMT
our 317's on the Lea Valley line sound like the 312's (probably using their traction motors) ;D
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Post by TA1 on Oct 27, 2010 7:30:26 GMT
our 317's on the Lea Valley line sound like the 312's (probably using their traction motors) ;D i hate that ten minute journey I use between Stratford and Tottenham Hale especially with a 317 due to the 30/40 mph speed limit outside Stratford until you reach the old lea bridge station, luckily for I had a more quieter 315 the last time I travelled along that route. With the imminent arrival of the 379's; I hope no 317's are displaced over the GE Side of operations; the noisy traction motors give me a headache; I wonder how loud they'd be on that sprint from LST to Stratford
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Post by john on Oct 27, 2010 14:49:56 GMT
our 317's on the Lea Valley line sound like the 312's (probably using their traction motors) ;D i hate that ten minute journey I use between Stratford and Tottenham Hale especially with a 317 due to the 30/40 mph speed limit outside Stratford until you reach the old lea bridge station, luckily for I had a more quieter 315 the last time I travelled along that route. With the imminent arrival of the 379's; I hope no 317's are displaced over the GE Side of operations; the noisy traction motors give me a headache; I wonder how loud they'd be on that sprint from LST to Stratford I'd love them over here!!! Can just imagine them roaring through Romford now ;D Besides, forget the run from Liv St to Stratford, the best part would be Stratford to Romford/Shenfield. 80 mph all the way, nice 10 minute journey if it's a fast service to Clacton or Southend EDIT: Just had a though, the displaced 317's from the Stansted service could well be used for the new Southend Airport creating a new Southend Express?? Just a thought, unless they're getting sent elsewhere
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 27, 2010 21:38:36 GMT
They should be sent for scrap ;D Depends what kind of refurb they do on the 317's if they do use it for Southend Express ( Southend has an Airport? ) plus they need to increase capacity on the Southend line unless the service will run into Liverpool Street. Imagine the din of those traction motors at full pelt ;D Don't wait to hear them roar thru Romford, mate - come and listen to them whine in their natural habitat - Northumberland Park to Stratford - and you get to pass First's depot (LI) on the way. Now try to find a seat that isn't damaged, sit back and enjoy the ride ;D ;D ;D
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Post by john on Oct 27, 2010 22:51:59 GMT
They should be sent for scrap ;D Depends what kind of refurb they do on the 317's if they do use it for Southend Express ( Southend has an Airport? ) plus they need to increase capacity on the Southend line unless the service will run into Liverpool Street. Imagine the din of those traction motors at full pelt ;D Don't wait to hear them roar thru Romford, mate - come and listen to them whine in their natural habitat - Northumberland Park to Stratford - and you get to pass First's depot (LI) on the way. Now try to find a seat that isn't damaged, sit back and enjoy the ride ;D ;D ;D If you go down to Southend Victoria, between Rochford and Hockley you have Southend Airport. They used to use it as an outstation for the airshow and also have the last remaining RAF Vulcan based there too ;D In recent years it has gained alot more air traffic in the way of aircraft around the size of 737's, so they've now decided to build a new Southend Airport station. Not sure when it opens exactly as the Southend services aren't calling there yet, but you had to change at Rochford for the airport. I did that journey last year during carnival weekend to get to my cousins in Harlow. Saw LI, which looked like any other First depot, and also saw the new Eurostar depot too, which did look impressive. I'm guessing this is where NatEx moved the old Stratford sidings to? I see numerous 321's coming from there to start the evening rush from Liv St. Also, I did once see a 317 going towards Gidea Park through Romford one day, which was quite odd. Still, to use them in service, well I'd enjoy that....for a little while ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2010 13:23:19 GMT
Southend Express? It is going to take a massive increase in demand before anyone seriously considers such an idea, far more than the current expansion plans would allow. Even Luton does not have a dedicated express.
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Post by john on Oct 28, 2010 15:41:18 GMT
Southend Express? It is going to take a massive increase in demand before anyone seriously considers such an idea, far more than the current expansion plans would allow. Even Luton does not have a dedicated express. Well, seeing as Heathrow won't be getting a 3rd runway and the Government have also said no to Boris' plan for an airport in the Thames, Southend now looks to be the perfect option for air traffic expansion to London, along with City, but obviously City is restricted by the docks. Like I said though, I haven't even seen the new station in the flesh yet so can't comment on what the layout is, whether it will be a 4 platform station (2 to Southend Vic and 2 terminating) or whether it will be the same as the others on the line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 20:53:54 GMT
Well, seeing as Heathrow won't be getting a 3rd runway and the Government have also said no to Boris' plan for an airport in the Thames, Southend now looks to be the perfect option for air traffic expansion to London, along with City, but obviously City is restricted by the docks. It is only supposed to be a two-platform station. But any expansion on those levels will face the same opposition locally as is was seen at Stansted and Heathrow. Even the current plans see concern from residents. Just to put it into context, the current expansion plans are for Southend to service around 2 million passengers per year by 2020. London City currently services 2.7 million, Luton 9 million, and Stansted almost 20 million. In terms of passenger aircraft movements they are aiming at almost 25,000 annually. This compares to the current roughly 67,000 at London City, 75,000 at Luton, and 156,000 at Stansted. Even in terms of stands it will only be able to accommodate up to 10 aircraft, while London City can take 18, 60 at Luton, and 70 at Stansted. Although obviously these figures do cover different sized craft. While the current upgrade may require an increase in the current Southend Victoria service to four trains per hour, any expansion to a size that will see demand for a dedicated express is still decades away.
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Post by john on Oct 30, 2010 23:57:54 GMT
Well, seeing as Heathrow won't be getting a 3rd runway and the Government have also said no to Boris' plan for an airport in the Thames, Southend now looks to be the perfect option for air traffic expansion to London, along with City, but obviously City is restricted by the docks. It is only supposed to be a two-platform station. But any expansion on those levels will face the same opposition locally as is was seen at Stansted and Heathrow. Even the current plans see concern from residents. Just to put it into context, the current expansion plans are for Southend to service around 2 million passengers per year by 2020. London City currently services 2.7 million, Luton 9 million, and Stansted almost 20 million. In terms of passenger aircraft movements they are aiming at almost 25,000 annually. This compares to the current roughly 67,000 at London City, 75,000 at Luton, and 156,000 at Stansted. Even in terms of stands it will only be able to accommodate up to 10 aircraft, while London City can take 18, 60 at Luton, and 70 at Stansted. Although obviously these figures do cover different sized craft. While the current upgrade may require an increase in the current Southend Victoria service to four trains per hour, any expansion to a size that will see demand for a dedicated express is still decades away. When you put it like that ;D No thanks, I didn't know any figures concerning Southend Airport so it does make it easier to compare, especially as I see LCA on a regular basis from uni. Comparing the too, I can understand your point about a dedicated service being unviable on those grounds
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 2, 2010 20:28:47 GMT
I was on a 317 from Stratford that actually sounded quiet from the inside (I could barely hear the traction motor) but when I got off @ Northumberland Pk it was just a rouse - it was loud as ever when it pulled away from the station ;D
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Post by jamaal on Nov 22, 2010 19:39:06 GMT
I was on a 317 from Stratford that actually sounded quiet from the inside (I could barely hear the traction motor) but when I got off @ Northumberland Pk it was just a rouse - it was loud as ever when it pulled away from the station ;D Apparently the 317s will be used on the GEML releasing more 360s to the Colchester, Clacton and Ipswich workings.
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Post by john on Nov 22, 2010 23:32:40 GMT
I was on a 317 from Stratford that actually sounded quiet from the inside (I could barely hear the traction motor) but when I got off @ Northumberland Pk it was just a rouse - it was loud as ever when it pulled away from the station ;D Apparently the 317s will be used on the GEML releasing more 360s to the Colchester, Clacton and Ipswich workings. Firstly, where did you get this info from? Secondly, the 360's only ever work the Colchester and Clacton services aswell as most Harwich ones. Most Ipswich trains I see are 321's so the only thing I can see the 317's taking over would be the Harwich services
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Post by jamaal on Nov 24, 2010 19:14:43 GMT
Apparently the 317s will be used on the GEML releasing more 360s to the Colchester, Clacton and Ipswich workings. Firstly, where did you get this info from? Secondly, the 360's only ever work the Colchester and Clacton services aswell as most Harwich ones. Most Ipswich trains I see are 321's so the only thing I can see the 317's taking over would be the Harwich services Another forum I belong to...
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Post by john on Nov 24, 2010 23:39:25 GMT
Firstly, where did you get this info from? Secondly, the 360's only ever work the Colchester and Clacton services aswell as most Harwich ones. Most Ipswich trains I see are 321's so the only thing I can see the 317's taking over would be the Harwich services Another forum I belong to... Hmmm, not sure if i'll believe that. I'll have to see if I can get anything from some contacts I have within the company to confirm it. Somehow I doubt that is accurate based purely on the 360's diagrams, though I can see the 317's being used to supplement the main line services through to Colchester. Might possibly be allocated to Braintree and Ipswich services allowing extra 321's to Southend Vic and Southminster trips, though this is just my mind working overtime after a very hectic couple of days ;D
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