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Post by bustavane on Aug 14, 2020 9:18:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. Just how many tour buses are operating in the current circumstances? And how many will be needed in future if tourism fails to pick up? There could be an argument for mothballing some of the fleet to HH or EB.
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:22:08 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. This is sort out of the box but WD could win the 295 making it also a competition with ML! Given the fact that S is currently full it would be good to put the route at WD if RATP was to win it. If S had room I would move the route there instead.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 14, 2020 9:28:59 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD...
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:30:31 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD... I was hoping RATP got the C3 even if it was from V.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 9:40:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. I believe this speculation is by enthusiasts ? There is space at RP and TV for the routes won. Tourism will pick up eventually. Although I do understand the logic behind WD being used for TfL work... and it would give Go Ahead and Abellio more of a challenge.
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:44:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. I believe this speculation is by enthusiasts ? There is space at RP and TV for the routes won. Tourism will pick up eventually. Although I do understand the logic behind WD being used for TfL work... and it would give Go Ahead and Abellio more of a challenge. To be fair there's really not that much space at RP and TV but of course there's space at EB which helps.
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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 14, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD... I was hoping RATP got the C3 even if it was from V. Maybe next time
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 14, 2020 19:46:14 GMT
In the upcoming RATP changes we will see the 116, 423 and 635 transfer to AV, the H91 transfer to V, and the 105, 285 and 698 staying put. It is rumoured that the H91 will use ADHs but not confirmed It is confirmed that the 423 is converting to a VH operation (in my thoughts I think it will be using 5 18 VHs and VH45124 and VH45125. VH45124 and VH45125 can be replaced by ADHs coming off from the 94 Is the 635 retaining its existing allocation of the H91 SPs? This is a long shot but when the 116 moves to AV could it use ADHs instead of VHs, with the 15 reg VHs used to upgrade routes or tender wins The H91 is not using ADHs, it will have VHs (as will the 116). The conversion of the 423 looks to be in two parts, first five are already in place, then three more later, but I don’t know the donor route yet. Do we have an update on what will form the rest of the allocation for the 423?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:13:48 GMT
If the 139's 13reg VHs are needed as cover around the fleet (until needed for the 28), perhaps these could instead be used indirectly, due to being a less common type. With drivers on the 79/142/258/H12 type trained for the G2 VHs, these could remain at BT for a while, with either ADEs or G3 VHs used elsewhere. Or, once the 139 is lost, the 13reg could go straight to the garage where the 28 is set to be run from - I think this will most likely be RP, in which case an option could be to use the 13reg on the 18/220/266, with more standard types used elsewhere. Such cover is probably mostly to release SPs to convert the H98 to DDs, with most garages being familiar with ADEs and/or G3 VHs already. This could save type training on the unique G2 batch at garages such as TV. I thought the SPs for route H98 were the ex-route 79 examples. Given that the G2s will be needed for route 28 before the Kingston tenders - even if these are retained by RATP - I doubt these would reach TV anyway.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:16:00 GMT
The K1's MMCs are now listed on LVF: SDE20303 YX20OLA SDE20304 YX20OLB SDE20305 YX20OLC SDE20306 YX20OLE SDE20307 YX20OLG SDE20308 YX20OLH SDE20309 YX20OLJ SDE20310 YX20OLK SDE20311 YX20OLM SDE20312 YX20OLN SDE20313 YX20OLO SDE20314 YX20OLP SDE20315 YX20OLR So no OLD, OLF or OLL which presumably are being held back for sale as "Select Registrations" (OLI and OLQ would not be issued anyway). It would have been quite funny seeing a new bus with an OLD registration.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:21:29 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. It would be good nostalgia if the only routes that reach WD were route 28 as won, and routes 44 won from Go-Ahead and 295 from Metroline next time. These were of course the long-term routes at WD prior to its closure to normal services in 1987. WD also had an allocation on route 22 in 1985-87, between the closures of B & WD.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:24:23 GMT
The H91 is not using ADHs, it will have VHs (as will the 116). The conversion of the 423 looks to be in two parts, first five are already in place, then three more later, but I don’t know the donor route yet. Do we have an update on what will form the rest of the allocation for the 423? My hunch is that ADEs return to RATP, they will go to RP enabling the ex-route 285 VHs recently transferred there to top up route 423.
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Post by paulo on Aug 15, 2020 7:12:22 GMT
If the 139's 13reg VHs are needed as cover around the fleet (until needed for the 28), perhaps these could instead be used indirectly, due to being a less common type. With drivers on the 79/142/258/H12 type trained for the G2 VHs, these could remain at BT for a while, with either ADEs or G3 VHs used elsewhere. Or, once the 139 is lost, the 13reg could go straight to the garage where the 28 is set to be run from - I think this will most likely be RP, in which case an option could be to use the 13reg on the 18/220/266, with more standard types used elsewhere. Such cover is probably mostly to release SPs to convert the H98 to DDs, with most garages being familiar with ADEs and/or G3 VHs already. This could save type training on the unique G2 batch at garages such as TV. I thought the SPs for route H98 were the ex-route 79 examples. Given that the G2s will be needed for route 28 before the Kingston tenders - even if these are retained by RATP - I doubt these would reach TV anyway. They are the ex-79 examples but these were originally intended to move for the school routes at AV, TV and HH. So something has to replace these. Around 10 required in total assuming school routes run from September of course. Moving ADEs out of RP may make sense though as AV and TV drivers are type trained. I’m not sure if HH retains its own drivers now or is a shared pool with AV. In any case probably not that many to type train.
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Post by connor on Aug 15, 2020 13:54:35 GMT
What is RAPT’s plan for the rest of this year, this is what I understand so far The H98 is Detting a double deck allocation using SP’s, which allows DLE1-9 to go to SO/FW to allow DE’s to transfer to So to let DE1-17 to be withdrawn to ULEZ,
The ADE’s are set to comeback once the rest of 285 MMC’s arrive which then allows more SP’s for route H98 At the end if August SP1-8 will be withdrawn so they will need replacing (by what?) K1’s buses have now been registered so delivery should be end of this month early September, which then let’s those buses to do back to EB
With in the last Weeknd of August from what I understand is that the 139’s VH’s are set to become free and are going to be used on other routes temporary until routes 28/N28 are awarded to LS
I’ve been hearing that the 2011 ADE’s that are with TV rare supposed to be leaving possible be replaced by ex 139 65 G2
Then in December 306 is awarded to metroline which frees up more VH’s to allow SP replacements. As well as the 110 being extended to Hammersmith via 391 using ex 391 DLE’s
What will the school routes use those ex 306, (ex 139 until route 28 is taken over.)
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Post by paulo on Aug 15, 2020 16:05:48 GMT
What is RAPT’s plan for the rest of this year, this is what I understand so far The H98 is Detting a double deck allocation using SP’s, which allows DLE1-9 to go to SO/FW to allow DE’s to transfer to So to let DE1-17 to be withdrawn to ULEZ, The ADE’s are set to comeback once the rest of 285 MMC’s arrive which then allows more SP’s for route H98 At the end if August SP1-8 will be withdrawn so they will need replacing (by what?) K1’s buses have now been registered so delivery should be end of this month early September, which then let’s those buses to do back to EB With in the last Weeknd of August from what I understand is that the 139’s VH’s are set to become free and are going to be used on other routes temporary until routes 28/N28 are awarded to LS I’ve been hearing that the 2011 ADE’s that are with TV rare supposed to be leaving possible be replaced by ex 139 65 G2 Then in December 306 is awarded to metroline which frees up more VH’s to allow SP replacements. As well as the 110 being extended to Hammersmith via 391 using ex 391 DLE’s What will the school routes use those ex 306, (ex 139 until route 28 is taken over.) On the DLE front I reckon FW will get about 7 (30001-7) and SO will get (have got) 30010/12/13. The rest possibly stay at AV until the H37/H22/110 changes which releases 30011/19 at a guess. For the 7 at FW that should see off the 07/58 reg DEs.
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