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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 13, 2020 18:06:15 GMT
DEs 20192, 20193 & 20194 have now gone to BT from SO can you also confirm that 20195-8 have also gone to BT please. Yes. They’re there as well, although they moved to BT from SO a number of weeks ago so they’ve been there for some time now. DE20199 I imagine is meant to be there too but has been MIA for some time now. |
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Post by VH45255 on Aug 13, 2020 18:10:18 GMT
How many extra buses will RATP need for school routes once schools return?
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 14, 2020 0:33:20 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes.
As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP.
There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away.
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Post by VWH2038 on Aug 14, 2020 2:24:52 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. This is sort out of the box but WD could win the 295 making it also a competition with ML! |
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Post by bustavane on Aug 14, 2020 9:18:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. Just how many tour buses are operating in the current circumstances? And how many will be needed in future if tourism fails to pick up? There could be an argument for mothballing some of the fleet to HH or EB. |
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:22:08 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. This is sort out of the box but WD could win the 295 making it also a competition with ML! Given the fact that S is currently full it would be good to put the route at WD if RATP was to win it. If S had room I would move the route there instead. |
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Post by rif153 on Aug 14, 2020 9:28:59 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD...
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:30:31 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD... I was hoping RATP got the C3 even if it was from V. |
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Post by rob on Aug 14, 2020 9:40:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. I believe this speculation is by enthusiasts ? There is space at RP and TV for the routes won. Tourism will pick up eventually. Although I do understand the logic behind WD being used for TfL work... and it would give Go Ahead and Abellio more of a challenge. |
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2020 9:44:14 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. I believe this speculation is by enthusiasts ? There is space at RP and TV for the routes won. Tourism will pick up eventually. Although I do understand the logic behind WD being used for TfL work... and it would give Go Ahead and Abellio more of a challenge. To be fair there's really not that much space at RP and TV but of course there's space at EB which helps. |
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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 14, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
If only RATP had got the C3 from WD... I was hoping RATP got the C3 even if it was from V. Maybe next time  |
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Post by VH45255 on Aug 14, 2020 19:46:14 GMT
In the upcoming RATP changes we will see the 116, 423 and 635 transfer to AV, the H91 transfer to V, and the 105, 285 and 698 staying put. It is rumoured that the H91 will use ADHs but not confirmed It is confirmed that the 423 is converting to a VH operation (in my thoughts I think it will be using 5 18 VHs and VH45124 and VH45125. VH45124 and VH45125 can be replaced by ADHs coming off from the 94 Is the 635 retaining its existing allocation of the H91 SPs? This is a long shot but when the 116 moves to AV could it use ADHs instead of VHs, with the 15 reg VHs used to upgrade routes or tender wins The H91 is not using ADHs, it will have VHs (as will the 116). The conversion of the 423 looks to be in two parts, first five are already in place, then three more later, but I don’t know the donor route yet. Do we have an update on what will form the rest of the allocation for the 423? |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:13:48 GMT
If the 139's 13reg VHs are needed as cover around the fleet (until needed for the 28), perhaps these could instead be used indirectly, due to being a less common type. With drivers on the 79/142/258/H12 type trained for the G2 VHs, these could remain at BT for a while, with either ADEs or G3 VHs used elsewhere. Or, once the 139 is lost, the 13reg could go straight to the garage where the 28 is set to be run from - I think this will most likely be RP, in which case an option could be to use the 13reg on the 18/220/266, with more standard types used elsewhere. Such cover is probably mostly to release SPs to convert the H98 to DDs, with most garages being familiar with ADEs and/or G3 VHs already. This could save type training on the unique G2 batch at garages such as TV. I thought the SPs for route H98 were the ex-route 79 examples. Given that the G2s will be needed for route 28 before the Kingston tenders - even if these are retained by RATP - I doubt these would reach TV anyway. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:16:00 GMT
The K1's MMCs are now listed on LVF: SDE20303 YX20OLA SDE20304 YX20OLB SDE20305 YX20OLC SDE20306 YX20OLE SDE20307 YX20OLG SDE20308 YX20OLH SDE20309 YX20OLJ SDE20310 YX20OLK SDE20311 YX20OLM SDE20312 YX20OLN SDE20313 YX20OLO SDE20314 YX20OLP SDE20315 YX20OLR So no OLD, OLF or OLL which presumably are being held back for sale as "Select Registrations" (OLI and OLQ would not be issued anyway). It would have been quite funny seeing a new bus with an OLD registration.  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2020 6:21:29 GMT
With speculation on WD potentially returning to TFL work, following the 28/639/670 gain, I think this could be quite strategic. The Original Tour fleet could perhaps be moved to either NC or HH to facilitate this, where there is less opportunity to expand TFL routes. As has been mentioned by others, RATP in Wandsworth could increase competition in the area, where Go Ahead operate a lot of routes, particularly out of AF & PL. While not too far from the existing RATP network, this would open further possibilities for routes to bid for. Looking just at the upcoming tenders, routes such as the 156 and 344 could then be gained by RATP. There's also a number of existing RATP routes that could also run from Wandsworth. The 85 is a good example, with WD being much closer to Putney than TV is to Kingston. The 220 terminates in Wandsworth, while the 211, 265 and 419 are also not far away. It would be good nostalgia if the only routes that reach WD were route 28 as won, and routes 44 won from Go-Ahead and 295 from Metroline next time. These were of course the long-term routes at WD prior to its closure to normal services in 1987. WD also had an allocation on route 22 in 1985-87, between the closures of B & WD. |
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