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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 18, 2020 17:49:22 GMT
The sooner the 28th comes the better and honestly if we do win the 328 that is something I will never ever learn. I don't understand the selfishness of some drivers. The Golders Green/Finchley Road northbound bus stop was relocated further back around a month ago now and it's now located where the road is very tight due to parking. Yet still you often find 13, 245 and 328 Sievers sit there blocking the bus stop and causing congestion as traffic struggle to get past because they are too early for changeover point (13 at the next stop) or to early to enter the station. When there is a perfectly adequate bus stop two stops prior at Llanvanor Road where the road is wide enough for vehicles to pass any vehicle waiting at the bus stop. Sorry to break subject, but are the tender results being released on the 28th? i think that's when the 139 goes over to Metroline
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Post by Volvo on Aug 18, 2020 18:35:32 GMT
The sooner the 28th comes the better and honestly if we do win the 328 that is something I will never ever learn. I don't understand the selfishness of some drivers. The Golders Green/Finchley Road northbound bus stop was relocated further back around a month ago now and it's now located where the road is very tight due to parking. Yet still you often find 13, 245 and 328 Sievers sit there blocking the bus stop and causing congestion as traffic struggle to get past because they are too early for changeover point (13 at the next stop) or to early to enter the station. When there is a perfectly adequate bus stop two stops prior at Llanvanor Road where the road is wide enough for vehicles to pass any vehicle waiting at the bus stop. Sorry to break subject, but are the tender results being released on the 28th? No it's the last day I could ever possibly to the 139. As the 29th it goes to Metroline.
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Post by deppy42 on Aug 18, 2020 19:34:56 GMT
So no OLD, OLF or OLL which presumably are being held back for sale as "Select Registrations" (OLI and OLQ would not be issued anyway). It would have been quite funny seeing a new bus with an OLD registration. OLB seen parked at HH
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 19:57:22 GMT
I know details of extra buses on school routes hasn't been announced yet, but RATP have inadvertently found themselves in quite a good position. In that they will have over 30* buses "spare" come new term. And possibly some drivers$ to help.
$ From 139 rota *VH ex 139 & ADE returning off hire from Abellio TF.
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 19, 2020 19:58:19 GMT
I know details of extra buses on school routes hasn't been announced yet, but RATP have inadvertently found themselves in quite a good position. In that they will have over 30* buses "spare" come new term. And possibly some drivers$ to help. $ From 139 rota *VH ex 139 & ADE returning off hire from Abellio TF. Also have the 6 leftover VHs from the 285 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 20:04:03 GMT
I know details of extra buses on school routes hasn't been announced yet, but RATP have inadvertently found themselves in quite a good position. In that they will have over 30* buses "spare" come new term. And possibly some drivers$ to help. $ From 139 rota *VH ex 139 & ADE returning off hire from Abellio TF. Also have the 6 leftover VHs from the 285 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257 I saw my favourite VH45257 hard at work on the 18 today ( minus rear number blind )
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Post by rif153 on Aug 19, 2020 20:56:44 GMT
I know details of extra buses on school routes hasn't been announced yet, but RATP have inadvertently found themselves in quite a good position. In that they will have over 30* buses "spare" come new term. And possibly some drivers$ to help. $ From 139 rota *VH ex 139 & ADE returning off hire from Abellio TF. Also have the 6 leftover VHs from the 285 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257 All those VHs are now at RP. VH45126-27 were on the 18 earlier and VH45128 is currently in service on the 266. VH45255-57 are currently in service on the 18.
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 19, 2020 20:57:59 GMT
Also have the 6 leftover VHs from the 285 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257 All those VHs are now at RP. VH45126-27 were on the 18 earlier and VH45128 is currently in service on the 266. VH45255-57 are currently in service on the 18. They are covering for ADEs at Abellio... Will become spare when the ADEs return.
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 19, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
The sooner the 28th comes the better and honestly if we do win the 328 that is something I will never ever learn, I don't ever want to drive through West Hampstead area ever again. Also I don't understand the selfishness of some drivers. The Golders Green/Finchley Road northbound bus stop was relocated further back around a month ago now due to social distancing outside the Barclays Bank and Post office and it's now located where the road is very tight due to parking. Yet still you often find 13, 245 and 328 drivers sit there blocking the bus stop and causing congestion as traffic struggle to get past because either they are too early for changeover point (13 at the next stop) or to early to enter the station. When there is a perfectly adequate bus stop two stops prior at Llanvanor Road where the road is wide enough for vehicles to pass any vehicle waiting at the bus stop. Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph.
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Post by foxhat on Aug 19, 2020 21:46:56 GMT
The sooner the 28th comes the better and honestly if we do win the 328 that is something I will never ever learn, I don't ever want to drive through West Hampstead area ever again. Also I don't understand the selfishness of some drivers. The Golders Green/Finchley Road northbound bus stop was relocated further back around a month ago now due to social distancing outside the Barclays Bank and Post office and it's now located where the road is very tight due to parking. Yet still you often find 13, 245 and 328 drivers sit there blocking the bus stop and causing congestion as traffic struggle to get past because either they are too early for changeover point (13 at the next stop) or to early to enter the station. When there is a perfectly adequate bus stop two stops prior at Llanvanor Road where the road is wide enough for vehicles to pass any vehicle waiting at the bus stop. Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph. Which in itself is all based on performance targets set out by TfL and cash bonuses for exceeding said targets. The scheduling side is often pretty good but trying to match something as unpredictable as traffic is difficult in itself and now traffic levels are all over the place. I think it all comes down to how the driver sees the job. Some drivers do it because that's all they have, and some do it because that's what they want to do. Generally it's with the former category of driver where the issues tend to arise - not that that is a 100% sweeping brush ...
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Post by Volvo on Aug 20, 2020 11:55:06 GMT
Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph. Oh I definitely agree tih you about the driving well below the speed limit now I know alot of people may not agree with me but in my opinion I think drivers should wait at bus stops if they are running too early rather than drive down the road at 8-12moh in a 30 limit when the road is clear ahead of them. Things like this provoke other drivers into road rage. Believe me I've seen it happen alot where I'm behind another bus and obviously the bus Infront of me is obscured from the cars behind and I'm getting beeped and flashed at then someone tries to overtake in an aggressive way even when they can't see what is coming to then realise actually there is another bus Infront of me. Another thing is please hold at sensible stops where you are not inconveniencing other road users and fellow colleagues not just form your own garage or own company but other companies too. I have seen some drivers hold on a bus stop that's on a bend in West Hampstead for example, common sense should tell you that's not a wise idea as you are causing more congestion in what is an already congested area most of the time and your making it dangerous for vehicles to overtake too as they can't see what's coming. Lol @ blue and orange operator and bright green company. I just say things as I see it I don't care which company or garage it is I don't do bias. Every single operator has these drivers who do my head in when they do or don't do certain things, however some operators seem to have more of them than others and I have to say mostly it is Metroline, Go Ahead and TT with the drivers that annoy me the most. Things like not pulling upto the front of the bus stop when you know there are buses behind you, holding at inconvenient bus stops, not indicating at the bus stop or when pulling out or even worse indicating to pull out but still serving the bus stop (this rubbish trick is mostly used by metroline drivers to get you to think they are about to leave the stop so that you don't overtake them!!) Go ahead drivers do this too but not as much. Not saying thank you when they are given way (again mostly metroline drivers do this), cutting infront of you to serve a bus stop instead of pulling in behind, serving bus stops half into the road to stop other buses or traffic getting past them, driving well below the speed limit because you are running early, not moving your bus forward on stand (I can understand when they go to the toilet or to the shops but not when your standing at the front of the bus on your phone) meaning other drivers can't get on stand and lose stand time or block traffic sitting waiting for you to move up again Metroline drivers are the worst for this. Not giving way to other buses even when there is more passing space on your side. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:02:00 GMT
Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph. Oh I definitely agree tih you about the driving well below the speed limit now I know alot of people may not agree with me but in my opinion I think drivers should wait at bus stops if they are running too early rather than drive down the road at 8-12moh in a 30 limit when the road is clear ahead of them. Things like this provoke other drivers into road rage. Believe me I've seen it happen alot where I'm behind another bus and obviously the bus Infront of me is obscured from the cars behind and I'm getting beeped and flashed at then someone tries to overtake in an aggressive way even when they can't see what is coming to then realise actually there is another bus Infront of me. Another thing is please hold at sensible stops where you are not inconveniencing other road users and fellow colleagues not just form your own garage or own company but other companies too. I have seen some drivers hold on a bus stop that's on a bend in West Hampstead for example, common sense should tell you that's not a wise idea as you are causing more congestion in what is an already congested area most of the time and your making it dangerous for vehicles to overtake too as they can't see what's coming. Lol @ blue and orange operator and bright green company. I just say things as I see it I don't care which company or garage it is I don't do bias. Every single operator has these drivers who do my head in when they do or don't do certain things, however some operators seem to have more of them than others and I have to say mostly it is Metroline, Go Ahead and TT with the drivers that annoy me the most. Things like not pulling upto the front of the bus stop when you know there are buses behind you, holding at inconvenient bus stops, not indicating at the bus stop or when pulling out or even worse indicating to pull out but still serving the bus stop (this rubbish trick is mostly used by metroline drivers to get you to think they are about to leave the stop so that you don't overtake them!!) Go ahead drivers do this too but not as much. Not saying thank you when they are given way (again mostly metroline drivers do this), cutting infront of you to serve a bus stop instead of pulling in behind, serving bus stops half into the road to stop other buses or traffic getting past them, driving well below the speed limit because you are running early, not moving your bus forward on stand (I can understand when they go to the toilet or to the shops but not when your standing at the front of the bus on your phone) meaning other drivers can't get on stand and lose stand time or block traffic sitting waiting for you to move up again Metroline drivers are the worst for this. Not giving way to other buses even when there is more passing space on your side. Sorry for the rant. I’ve noticed the practice Metroline drivers appear to conduct at Brent Cross.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 20, 2020 16:05:20 GMT
Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph. Oh I definitely agree tih you about the driving well below the speed limit now I know alot of people may not agree with me but in my opinion I think drivers should wait at bus stops if they are running too early rather than drive down the road at 8-12moh in a 30 limit when the road is clear ahead of them. Things like this provoke other drivers into road rage. Believe me I've seen it happen alot where I'm behind another bus and obviously the bus Infront of me is obscured from the cars behind and I'm getting beeped and flashed at then someone tries to overtake in an aggressive way even when they can't see what is coming to then realise actually there is another bus Infront of me. Another thing is please hold at sensible stops where you are not inconveniencing other road users and fellow colleagues not just form your own garage or own company but other companies too. I have seen some drivers hold on a bus stop that's on a bend in West Hampstead for example, common sense should tell you that's not a wise idea as you are causing more congestion in what is an already congested area most of the time and your making it dangerous for vehicles to overtake too as they can't see what's coming. Lol @ blue and orange operator and bright green company. I just say things as I see it I don't care which company or garage it is I don't do bias. Every single operator has these drivers who do my head in when they do or don't do certain things, however some operators seem to have more of them than others and I have to say mostly it is Metroline, Go Ahead and TT with the drivers that annoy me the most. Things like not pulling upto the front of the bus stop when you know there are buses behind you, holding at inconvenient bus stops, not indicating at the bus stop or when pulling out or even worse indicating to pull out but still serving the bus stop (this rubbish trick is mostly used by metroline drivers to get you to think they are about to leave the stop so that you don't overtake them!!) Go ahead drivers do this too but not as much. Not saying thank you when they are given way (again mostly metroline drivers do this), cutting infront of you to serve a bus stop instead of pulling in behind, serving bus stops half into the road to stop other buses or traffic getting past them, driving well below the speed limit because you are running early, not moving your bus forward on stand (I can understand when they go to the toilet or to the shops but not when your standing at the front of the bus on your phone) meaning other drivers can't get on stand and lose stand time or block traffic sitting waiting for you to move up again Metroline drivers are the worst for this. Not giving way to other buses even when there is more passing space on your side. Sorry for the rant. Blue and orange and bright green made me laugh. One of these is a former employer, say no more. I agree it’s better to sit at a bus stop rather than drive slowly down the road, and when sitting at bus stops, you should try your best to ensure it’s at a bus stop where you can safely hold without causing any problems. It’s all relative situational awareness, decision making and judgement skills. All key in any role as a bus driver. It does wind me up now as a passenger, more than it did as a driver before I left in 2007. Things were different back then to be honest. But now I see things that make me shake my head on a regular basis, and the constant discussion I have with active bus drivers, one on this forum especially, makes me cringe. I used to enjoy driving buses, but if you put me in one now, I’d probably hulk out. It was only the other day I leapt to the defence of a bus driver who had a passenger use the emergency button at at the rear who was clearly not clearly paying attention to the diversion announcement made twice. He thought he was in a position of safety, swearing like a petulant child from across the road, until said bus driver stopped, I had left the bus myself in an effort to approach to guy, an Deliveroo driver also stopped his bike to approach the guy, and the culprit walked off down a side street , taking his ball and going home, realising there were individuals who would protect the bus driver, should he need it. It’s bad enough the grief that drivers get from passengers, but poor decisions from fellow drivers as well, make it hell of a lot more stressful in a high pressure job where drivers are overworked and underpaid. Just want to tip my hat off to every driver out there. Appreciation is never shown enough, and after raising 10k for the families of bus drivers who passed with this MBV (Mexican beer virus, covid 19) I believe they should be shown a hell of a lot of more respect than they currently are, from everyone out there.
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Post by Volvo on Aug 20, 2020 17:20:09 GMT
Oh I definitely agree tih you about the driving well below the speed limit now I know alot of people may not agree with me but in my opinion I think drivers should wait at bus stops if they are running too early rather than drive down the road at 8-12moh in a 30 limit when the road is clear ahead of them. Things like this provoke other drivers into road rage. Believe me I've seen it happen alot where I'm behind another bus and obviously the bus Infront of me is obscured from the cars behind and I'm getting beeped and flashed at then someone tries to overtake in an aggressive way even when they can't see what is coming to then realise actually there is another bus Infront of me. Another thing is please hold at sensible stops where you are not inconveniencing other road users and fellow colleagues not just form your own garage or own company but other companies too. I have seen some drivers hold on a bus stop that's on a bend in West Hampstead for example, common sense should tell you that's not a wise idea as you are causing more congestion in what is an already congested area most of the time and your making it dangerous for vehicles to overtake too as they can't see what's coming. Lol @ blue and orange operator and bright green company. I just say things as I see it I don't care which company or garage it is I don't do bias. Every single operator has these drivers who do my head in when they do or don't do certain things, however some operators seem to have more of them than others and I have to say mostly it is Metroline, Go Ahead and TT with the drivers that annoy me the most. Things like not pulling upto the front of the bus stop when you know there are buses behind you, holding at inconvenient bus stops, not indicating at the bus stop or when pulling out or even worse indicating to pull out but still serving the bus stop (this rubbish trick is mostly used by metroline drivers to get you to think they are about to leave the stop so that you don't overtake them!!) Go ahead drivers do this too but not as much. Not saying thank you when they are given way (again mostly metroline drivers do this), cutting infront of you to serve a bus stop instead of pulling in behind, serving bus stops half into the road to stop other buses or traffic getting past them, driving well below the speed limit because you are running early, not moving your bus forward on stand (I can understand when they go to the toilet or to the shops but not when your standing at the front of the bus on your phone) meaning other drivers can't get on stand and lose stand time or block traffic sitting waiting for you to move up again Metroline drivers are the worst for this. Not giving way to other buses even when there is more passing space on your side. Sorry for the rant. Blue and orange and bright green made me laugh. One of these is a former employer, say no more. I agree it’s better to sit at a bus stop rather than drive slowly down the road, and when sitting at bus stops, you should try your best to ensure it’s at a bus stop where you can safely hold without causing any problems. It’s all relative situational awareness, decision making and judgement skills. All key in any role as a bus driver. It does wind me up now as a passenger, more than it did as a driver before I left in 2007. Things were different back then to be honest. But now I see things that make me shake my head on a regular basis, and the constant discussion I have with active bus drivers, one on this forum especially, makes me cringe. I used to enjoy driving buses, but if you put me in one now, I’d probably hulk out. It was only the other day I leapt to the defence of a bus driver who had a passenger use the emergency button at at the rear who was clearly not clearly paying attention to the diversion announcement made twice. He thought he was in a position of safety, swearing like a petulant child from across the road, until said bus driver stopped, I had left the bus myself in an effort to approach to guy, an Deliveroo driver also stopped his bike to approach the guy, and the culprit walked off down a side street , taking his ball and going home, realising there were individuals who would protect the bus driver, should he need it. It’s bad enough the grief that drivers get from passengers, but poor decisions from fellow drivers as well, make it hell of a lot more stressful in a high pressure job where drivers are overworked and underpaid. Just want to tip my hat off to every driver out there. Appreciation is never shown enough, and after raising 10k for the families of bus drivers who passed with this MBV (Mexican beer virus, covid 19) I believe they should be shown a hell of a lot of more respect than they currently are, from everyone out there. Wonderful post!!!
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Post by 725DYE on Aug 20, 2020 17:32:59 GMT
Given that bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals (as we have been continuously reminded over the last few months), it is a shame there are so many drivers that show little awareness/evidence of those skills. At the very least they're making things more difficult for their fellow colleagues doing their job in a better way, and are also showing a lack of consideration for other road users while driving. Just because you're allowed to wait at any bus stop somewhere for a bit when early, doesn't mean its considerate for the other road users that are having difficulty trying to pass. Interesting you include the "blue&orange" operator in there (in addition to the "bright green" one), sadly I've seen a lot of that in my area from them. Same goes for driving well below the speed limit when it is obviously safe to do so, ok this is something that car drivers do a lot too in my area (especially where there are 40+ limits, but often in the 30s too), but remember bus drivers are meant to be highly skilled professionals! And this is not limited to specific operators either. The effect on the poor passengers from the time wasting and deliberately slow driving as a result of poor timetabling is a whole topic in itself that is not just limited to RATP, which is why I didn't mention them in the previous paragraph. Oh I definitely agree tih you about the driving well below the speed limit now I know alot of people may not agree with me but in my opinion I think drivers should wait at bus stops if they are running too early rather than drive down the road at 8-12moh in a 30 limit when the road is clear ahead of them. Doing this in a driving test would get you a minor and persistence would end up in failing the test so exactly, bus drivers shouldn't be allowed to do this. Doesn't do anyone any good. After all, the iBus is equipped with an announcement along the lines of "the driver has been instructed to wait here to regulate the service." AFAIK at present there isn't an announcement of "the driver has been instructed to drive at the pace of an 85 year old man in his Honda Jazz on a Sunday drive" so I (if I were a driver) would preferably take the first option. Sorry if there are any Honda Jazz drivers on here but from limited observation the majority appear to be one hundred and eleventy seven years old
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