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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 20, 2020 10:37:00 GMT
If I am right these will be the spare buses that are coming off certain routes?
- VH45124-VH45125 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257 - VH45156-VH45162 - VH45184-VH45186
- VH45153-VH45155 have been reallocated to TV and FW routes it seems - wonder if this is temporary or permanent.
So all in all there are about 18 VHs which are coming off various routes?
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Post by paulo on Sept 20, 2020 10:40:42 GMT
If I am right these will be the spare buses that are coming off certain routes? - VH45124-VH45125 - VH45126-VH45128 - VH45255-VH45257 - VH45156-VH45162 - VH45184-VH45186 - VH45153-VH45155 have been reallocated to TV and FW routes it seems - wonder if this is temporary or permanent. So all in all there are about 18 VHs which are coming off various routes? 3 of them to AV for the 423, 2 to stay at TV for school routes and the rest to convert the 65 fully if retained would be my guess.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 20, 2020 10:44:40 GMT
Yes then probably 1 to use the ex 306 ones. Sadly the age of the SP is coming to an end now. Either that or all move to the 281 and 65 gets new buses.
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Post by paulo on Sept 20, 2020 10:57:41 GMT
Yes then probably 1 to use the ex 306 ones. Sadly the age of the SP is coming to an end now. Either that or all move to the 281 and 65 gets new buses. 281 due a new batch this time around I would like to think. Been getting buses from other routes for a while now at tender renewal time.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 20, 2020 11:01:03 GMT
Yes then probably 1 to use the ex 306 ones. Sadly the age of the SP is coming to an end now. Either that or all move to the 281 and 65 gets new buses. I think most of the 306's VHs might go to TV for the 418 & 613/662, reducing the DD fleet at TV to just G3 VHs. My prediction is the FW routes will all get new electrics if retained, including the 65. The 65's VHs could perhaps be used to bid for a 183 retain.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 20, 2020 11:34:51 GMT
I still cant call if the 371 will be DD or SDs. Whilst existing DDs would probably be cheaper then new electric SDs if new buses are needed then it could still be cheaper to keep it SD. My observations have always been whilst the route does get hammered at school times (hence the DD workings) but outside that time the route does cope.
I can see the 481 being won by LU with spare buses from the 283 and H22 cut.
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Post by busdryver on Sept 20, 2020 11:41:26 GMT
I still cant call if the 371 will be DD or SDs. Whilst existing DDs would probably be cheaper then new electric SDs if new buses are needed then it could still be cheaper to keep it SD. My observations have always been whilst the route does get hammered at school times (hence the DD workings) but outside that time the route does cope. I can see the 481 being won by LU with spare buses from the 283 and H22 cut. H22 cut? I think the new arrangements will be an increase... if not neutral..
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 20, 2020 11:46:02 GMT
It may be neutral. Either way the 481 only needs 5 for TVR so 4 come off the 283 so only 1 more to find. Again the 110 and 391 may free up 1 bus.
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Post by busdryver on Sept 20, 2020 11:50:51 GMT
It may be neutral. Either way the 481 only needs 5 for TVR so 4 come off the 283 so only 1 more to find. Again the 110 and 391 may free up 1 bus. 5 spare buses from the 283 by the looks of it...
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 20, 2020 11:53:15 GMT
So that could even be half the 371. Cant see where any 7 could be sourced from thou.
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Post by snowman on Sept 20, 2020 13:06:36 GMT
I still cant call if the 371 will be DD or SDs. Whilst existing DDs would probably be cheaper then new electric SDs if new buses are needed then it could still be cheaper to keep it SD. My observations have always been whilst the route does get hammered at school times (hence the DD workings) but outside that time the route does cope. I can see the 481 being won by LU with spare buses from the 283 and H22 cut. I suspect the 371 will stay single deck There have been so many changes to Secondary schools in the area in last few years, would make more sense to split the school workings into separate route (the school extras don’t need to run Norbiton-Kingston and Richmond- Manor Circus. For the record Christ’s school (Richmond Hill) has expanded, Greycourt (Ham) has expanded, and in North Kingston Tiffin girls has increased from 120 per year to 180 per year and an extra school, Kingston Academy has opened, so over 4000 secondary school pupils.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 20, 2020 13:17:04 GMT
Probably an actual school route (691 returns) as Richmond station to maybe Kingston Hospital with 1 journey in both directions to cope.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 14:27:32 GMT
Probably an actual school route (691 returns) as Richmond station to maybe Kingston Hospital with 1 journey in both directions to cope. The current trend has been to remove school routes rather than add them in. Couple that with the fact that many recent double decker conversions seem to concentrate on single decker routes with existing double decker school journeys and the 371 would be as a good candidate as something like the U3 - makes little sense in having single decker routes that have no double decker restrictions at all
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 20, 2020 15:04:45 GMT
I still cant call if the 371 will be DD or SDs. Whilst existing DDs would probably be cheaper then new electric SDs if new buses are needed then it could still be cheaper to keep it SD. My observations have always been whilst the route does get hammered at school times (hence the DD workings) but outside that time the route does cope. I can see the 481 being won by LU with spare buses from the 283 and H22 cut. The H22's PVR is unlikely to change when rerouted to West Middlesex Hospital. And some of the spare DLEs from the 283 may be needed for the revised 110 to Hammersmith - the existing 110/391 allocations won't quite be enough as the Hounslow end is being increased in frequency. However, the 110 could perhaps be allocated a few 60reg DLEs from the H98, to release newer DLEs to the 481, if won by RATP. And regarding the 371, I think it will follow the 200 in being fully converted to DDs - the 200 was previously allocated 2 DDs alongside the 07reg SEs. The 371 could also go to Metroline or Abellio who may also have some existing hybrids.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 20, 2020 15:21:26 GMT
I still cant call if the 371 will be DD or SDs. Whilst existing DDs would probably be cheaper then new electric SDs if new buses are needed then it could still be cheaper to keep it SD. My observations have always been whilst the route does get hammered at school times (hence the DD workings) but outside that time the route does cope. I can see the 481 being won by LU with spare buses from the 283 and H22 cut. Residents might object to a full DD conversion of the 371. IIRC there were complaints when DDs started running along the full route (they had previously only run between Ham and Richmond). For a while I think there was a ban on allocating DDs except on the specified DD workings, but this seems to have been quietly dropped. Of course I don't know whether those objections would be enough to prevent the route going DD.
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