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Post by jrussa on Feb 28, 2021 11:58:41 GMT
Look at TFL with it's little tables showing what days the route is affected. TFL has stepped ALL the way up! It’s strange that TfL would list Wimbledon as being an affected area when RATP don’t run any routes in Wimbledon anymore. Good point! TFL may be referring the general area (postcode/areas) that falls under Wimbledon. Some parts of areas such as Raynes Park, Lower Morden, Morden, Colliers Wood and even certain parts of Earlsfield fall under the 'district' of Wimbledon. I know that RATP does not serve some of these areas but it does for others
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Post by adl on Mar 1, 2021 22:01:29 GMT
The Ex First/TT E400s look quite strange atm with their Ex First seating, RATP Logos, visible faded TT logo. I think once they've been refurbished they'll look more similar to the London Sovereign/United E400s than the QL ones.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:51:43 GMT
The Ex First/TT E400s look quite strange atm with their Ex First seating, RATP Logos, visible faded TT logo. I think once they've been refurbished they'll look more similar to the London Sovereign/United E400s than the QL ones. What annoys me is that no London bus company with ex-First vehicles have ever painted the purple plastic in the interior and changed the purple Lino. The only companies I’ve seen that have painted over the purple plastic are Lothian (the ex BF60 Gemini 2 batch) and Go North West (mainly the ones sent to Thorntons). Though what I will say is GAL did make the special moquette for the ENs and SENs which fitted in well with the purple. On another note, I wonder when the 4 SN12 ADEs will enter service. With school service restarting, maybe quite soon! That would be really expensive to do if across a lot of vehicles and with operating margins razor thin it could be the difference between profit in six months or a year.
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Post by COBO on Mar 2, 2021 0:11:52 GMT
When SPs appeared on the 33 recently did they do the full route?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 2, 2021 0:34:46 GMT
When SPs appeared on the 33 recently did they do the full route? Yes, now that the route doesn't serve Hammersmith Bridge there is no restriction for deckers along the route. Do think now would be a good time to fully convert the route but I think TfL are using a more cautioned approach so that when the bridge does inevitably reopen that should the weight restriction remain that it won't need a single decker conversion which could go down horribly.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 2, 2021 3:37:07 GMT
What annoys me is that no London bus company with ex-First vehicles have ever painted the purple plastic in the interior and changed the purple Lino. The only companies I’ve seen that have painted over the purple plastic are Lothian (the ex BF60 Gemini 2 batch) and Go North West (mainly the ones sent to Thorntons). Though what I will say is GAL did make the special moquette for the ENs and SENs which fitted in well with the purple. On another note, I wonder when the 4 SN12 ADEs will enter service. With school service restarting, maybe quite soon! That would be really expensive to do if across a lot of vehicles and with operating margins razor thin it could be the difference between profit in six months or a year. Indeed as although there has been example of London buses seeing that kind of refurb before (Arriva removed the brown and custard wall interior for cream & aquamarine on the 41 L's that were refurbished and I think Abellio did apply a lighter blue to the plastic bits on the Tridents that got a refurb), it's still very rare as you say due to costs.
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 2, 2021 7:38:51 GMT
The Ex First/TT E400s look quite strange atm with their Ex First seating, RATP Logos, visible faded TT logo. I think once they've been refurbished they'll look more similar to the London Sovereign/United E400s than the QL ones. I honestly think they need an urgent refurb. The old hard moquette, needs replacing, the RATP one won't look that bad on this interior. But most importantly, a repaint, oh yes! The TFL roundel and for london under the emission sticker has been taken off during the bus' short time on non-London work. The red is different in all areas. These buses need at least a basic refurbishment soon, much more than the G3 VH"s, just because they had an old sticker doesn't make them a more urgent candidate for a refurb.
Question:
Jack posted this picture on his flickr.
What is the white notices stuck on the windows. Is it a new TfL thing or something that remained during the bus' short period not working with London.
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Post by cc2005 on Mar 2, 2021 7:40:29 GMT
I prefer it a lot more with turqupise poles. I wonder why though some have been kept orange and some have been repainted. Surprisingly VH45119 and another (didn’t get the Fleetnumber) have have also had the “Another red bus going Green for London” repainted back below the lower deck rear window! Pic showing the rear of refurbished VH45112 with the “Another red bus going Green for London” strapline, along with the turquoise handrails:
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 2, 2021 7:45:44 GMT
When SPs appeared on the 33 recently did they do the full route? Yes, now that the route doesn't serve Hammersmith Bridge there is no restriction for deckers along the route. Do think now would be a good time to fully convert the route but I think TfL are using a more cautioned approach so that when the bridge does inevitably reopen that should the weight restriction remain that it won't need a single decker conversion which could go down horribly. Speaking about the bridge:
a) Is it known when it will reopen? b) If it does reopen why would it still need weight restrictions, imo better get something done fully and well than do part of the job. c) How is the wor there progressing, what are the models for a future build? d) Is it possible to place say something like a temporary tunnel as I know the impact in the area is large, at the very least for residents who cannot cross but at least the 533 is being put at use! e) What are the chances route 33 will get decked upon retender, obviously relient on the answer to b, but I am sure if there is to be a weight restriction say just a bit more open than last time, it will probably get a bus like DXE's but in electric form so BXE, I guess.
A lot of questions, thank you for all the answers!
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 2, 2021 7:48:56 GMT
Surprisingly VH45119 and another (didn’t get the Fleetnumber) have have also had the “Another red bus going Green for London” repainted back below the lower deck rear window! Pic showing the rear of refurbished VH45112 with the “Another red bus going Green for London” strapline, along with the turquoise handrails: Must say Hans and Dorset did a very good refurb, looks new! I think it is general policy at H&D that if something is repainted it shall be printed on again unless there are specific requests which wern't surprisingly given! The repaint was done well, and thank god they kept the flashlights safe, from red rule! I really like the effect they did with the black on the battery capsule! Wish they just repainted the poles of all the buses though, sigh.
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 2, 2021 7:50:18 GMT
When SPs appeared on the 33 recently did they do the full route? COBO, I think that probably was a strike-only thing as there were lots of free SP's to use and obviously extra capacity is needed in a strike. Will not be surprised it will happen again in the upcoming strike.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 8:10:31 GMT
Yes, now that the route doesn't serve Hammersmith Bridge there is no restriction for deckers along the route. Do think now would be a good time to fully convert the route but I think TfL are using a more cautioned approach so that when the bridge does inevitably reopen that should the weight restriction remain that it won't need a single decker conversion which could go down horribly. Speaking about the bridge:
a) Is it known when it will reopen? b) If it does reopen why would it still need weight restrictions, imo better get something done fully and well than do part of the job. c) How is the wor there progressing, what are the models for a future build? d) Is it possible to place say something like a temporary tunnel as I know the impact in the area is large, at the very least for residents who cannot cross but at least the 533 is being put at use! e) What are the chances route 33 will get decked upon retender, obviously relient on the answer to b, but I am sure if there is to be a weight restriction say just a bit more open than last time, it will probably get a bus like DXE's but in electric form so BXE, I guess.
A lot of questions, thank you for all the answers!
A) 2027 is the earliest year being discussed B) As it is a listed structure it will still be unlikely to take anything beyond the current weight restrictions even with repairs although it is unknown until repairs start. C) No plans have been released yet, suggest you check H&F council website D) A paid pedestrian ferry is due to start in the next couple of months which will be sufficient for the majority of residents. Also have you ever heard of a temporary tunnel? No, neither has anyone. E) Would assume it is entirely dependent on the bridge but as it is unlikely to have an increased weight capacity even with repairs due to age the 33 is likely to stay single decker.
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 2, 2021 8:53:29 GMT
Speaking about the bridge:
a) Is it known when it will reopen? b) If it does reopen why would it still need weight restrictions, imo better get something done fully and well than do part of the job. c) How is the wor there progressing, what are the models for a future build? d) Is it possible to place say something like a temporary tunnel as I know the impact in the area is large, at the very least for residents who cannot cross but at least the 533 is being put at use! e) What are the chances route 33 will get decked upon retender, obviously relient on the answer to b, but I am sure if there is to be a weight restriction say just a bit more open than last time, it will probably get a bus like DXE's but in electric form so BXE, I guess.
A lot of questions, thank you for all the answers!
A) 2027 is the earliest year being discussed B) As it is a listed structure it will still be unlikely to take anything beyond the current weight restrictions even with repairs although it is unknown until repairs start. C) No plans have been released yet, suggest you check H&F council website D) A paid pedestrian ferry is due to start in the next couple of months which will be sufficient for the majority of residents. Also have you ever heard of a temporary tunnel? No, neither has anyone. E) Would assume it is entirely dependent on the bridge but as it is unlikely to have an increased weight capacity even with repairs due to age the 33 is likely to stay single decker. That is a shame as the 33 (same as the 72) is a busy route but it can't have more appropriate buses for the loadings (can't even get extended single-decks up to 12m), inevitably they will be places like this in the capital. If a ferry kicks in between both sides will route 533 be needed any more? Again, I assume it is not possible to build an entire new bridge as 1. It is an old structure, preserved legally by the Gov. 2. To rebuild it will cost way too much money. But a ferry is definetley a good idea as 1. The 533 is way too long (or walking its route) 2. Previously, most residents could just walk across the bridge (except elderly) but now because the bridge is in such a bad state not even walking is allowed. The ferry will be accessible to all age groups. I assume it will also cost Pound 1.50? Also where will the ferry start and end, both ends to the bridge don't have anywhere accessible so how is it going to work?
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 2, 2021 9:20:13 GMT
When SPs appeared on the 33 recently did they do the full route? Yes, some were curtailed to Richmond to provide a better service between Fulwell & Richmond, however some made it to Castelnau
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Mar 2, 2021 11:24:59 GMT
A) 2027 is the earliest year being discussed B) As it is a listed structure it will still be unlikely to take anything beyond the current weight restrictions even with repairs although it is unknown until repairs start. C) No plans have been released yet, suggest you check H&F council website D) A paid pedestrian ferry is due to start in the next couple of months which will be sufficient for the majority of residents. Also have you ever heard of a temporary tunnel? No, neither has anyone. E) Would assume it is entirely dependent on the bridge but as it is unlikely to have an increased weight capacity even with repairs due to age the 33 is likely to stay single decker. That is a shame as the 33 (same as the 72) is a busy route but it can't have more appropriate buses for the loadings (can't even get extended single-decks up to 12m), inevitably they will be places like this in the capital. If a ferry kicks in between both sides will route 533 be needed any more? Again, I assume it is not possible to build an entire new bridge as 1. It is an old structure, preserved legally by the Gov. 2. To rebuild it will cost way too much money. But a ferry is definetley a good idea as 1. The 533 is way too long (or walking its route) 2. Previously, most residents could just walk across the bridge (except elderly) but now because the bridge is in such a bad state not even walking is allowed. The ferry will be accessible to all age groups. I assume it will also cost Pound 1.50? Also where will the ferry start and end, both ends to the bridge don't have anywhere accessible so how is it going to work? The ferry will cost £1.55.
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