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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2022 15:51:27 GMT
So presumably when 94 is cut there will be spare BCEs S has 47001-29 (29 buses) and 47084-99 (16) and 47129 (1 extra) =46 94 will have PVR of 20, 49 has PVR of 15, PVR of 35, so about 6 or 7 spare I wonder where they will go, my hunch is on 6 going to FW to release 47148, 47152-6 to the 183 (their scheduled route), so that 125 can take the 22reg versions. In turn releasing VHs to cover take up of 295 in 4 weeks time Not sure why FW require anymore BCE’s when they already have their requirement for the 65, 281 & 371 school journeys - what are the 6 extra ones doing there?
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Post by andyc on Oct 1, 2022 16:03:55 GMT
The 22reg are the 183's batch, and are delivered but in storage at X. As SO is at full capacity, more BCEs can only be moved there is something else leaves in return. So it is expected that the BCEs will be shuffled around once electrification work is complete at BT, with each route gaining the intended batch. It's possible the BCEs spare from the 94 could move to FW, but that wouldn't make any difference to the 125/295/etc - just releasing a further 6-8 VHs for use somewhere. The VHs from the 28 and 125 are more than enough to cover the 295's temporary allocation. Also at S, the 148 is still regularly using a small number of BCEs, so I wouldn't be surprised if nothing leaves immediately after the 94's cut. The 148 recently had a minor frequency increase, but no more LTs were transferred. Could perhaps move LT461-463 to S, which are now spare at V (the older batch exactly covers the 9's allocation). The 94's PVR cut will release 5 buses which matches the 481's PVR so perhaps the BCEs will move to FW and replace the VHs on that route. These could move to X temporarily for the 295 and in the long term would be destined for the 340. They don’t fit round the full 481 Route - so not for that route,,,
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 1, 2022 16:19:46 GMT
The 22reg are the 183's batch, and are delivered but in storage at X. As SO is at full capacity, more BCEs can only be moved there is something else leaves in return. So it is expected that the BCEs will be shuffled around once electrification work is complete at BT, with each route gaining the intended batch. It's possible the BCEs spare from the 94 could move to FW, but that wouldn't make any difference to the 125/295/etc - just releasing a further 6-8 VHs for use somewhere. The VHs from the 28 and 125 are more than enough to cover the 295's temporary allocation. Also at S, the 148 is still regularly using a small number of BCEs, so I wouldn't be surprised if nothing leaves immediately after the 94's cut. The 148 recently had a minor frequency increase, but no more LTs were transferred. Could perhaps move LT461-463 to S, which are now spare at V (the older batch exactly covers the 9's allocation). The 94's PVR cut will release 5 buses which matches the 481's PVR so perhaps the BCEs will move to FW and replace the VHs on that route. These could move to X temporarily for the 295 and in the long term would be destined for the 340. It has already been confirmed that route 340 will get the BU16 VH's (45081-88) and an ADH spare from each of the 142 and H14.
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Post by paulo on Oct 1, 2022 16:37:14 GMT
The 94's PVR cut will release 5 buses which matches the 481's PVR so perhaps the BCEs will move to FW and replace the VHs on that route. These could move to X temporarily for the 295 and in the long term would be destined for the 340. It has already been confirmed that route 340 will get the BU16 VH's (45081-88) and an ADH spare from each of the 142 and H14. The BCEs released from the 94 could head to WK for the 116 or 423 bearing in mind chargers have now (in theory) been installed there. Releases more VHs for use elsewhere.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Oct 1, 2022 19:24:47 GMT
That seems very wasteful to have two refurbishments so close together especially when some routes have buses that missed being refurbished at all. The 13 Reg ones will not be refurbished again - they are already refurbished… The 16 plate ex-TT buses are those that will be refurbished, as they have not yet been done… Tbh I would have thought the 340 would be getting the VHs from the H91. A bit surprised they chose the ex TTs but I guess it makes sense as 5/8 of them are already at BT and due for refurb. The if ADHs are also allocated to the 340 as well, surely the H12 would need a second allocation as there are 15 ADHs at BT and 13 are needed for the H12.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 1, 2022 19:27:04 GMT
The 13 Reg ones will not be refurbished again - they are already refurbished… The 16 plate ex-TT buses are those that will be refurbished, as they have not yet been done… Tbh I would have thought the 340 would be getting the VHs from the H91. A bit surprised they chose the ex TTs but I guess it makes sense as 5/8 of them are already at BT and due for refurb. The if ADHs are also allocated to the 340 as well, surely the H12 would need a second allocation as there are 15 ADHs at BT and 13 are needed for the H12. The spare ADHs are coming from the H14 (SO) not the H12 (BT)
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Post by londonbuses184 on Oct 1, 2022 19:33:08 GMT
Tbh I would have thought the 340 would be getting the VHs from the H91. A bit surprised they chose the ex TTs but I guess it makes sense as 5/8 of them are already at BT and due for refurb. The if ADHs are also allocated to the 340 as well, surely the H12 would need a second allocation as there are 15 ADHs at BT and 13 are needed for the H12. The spare ADHs are coming from the H14 (SO) not the H12 (BT) So when the H14 PVR drops from 8 to 7 then one of the ADHs will transfer to BT for the 340. I guess that makes sense.
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 2, 2022 3:09:14 GMT
The spare ADHs are coming from the H14 (SO) not the H12 (BT) So when the H14 PVR drops from 8 to 7 then one of the ADHs will transfer to BT for the 340. I guess that makes sense. And the 142 will release an ADH or two I believe.
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Post by COBO on Oct 2, 2022 3:10:37 GMT
So when the H14 PVR drops from 8 to 7 then one of the ADHs will transfer to BT for the 340. I guess that makes sense. And the 142 will release an ADH or two I believe. I don’t think that the 142 had any ADHs allocated to it.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 2, 2022 5:24:57 GMT
And the 142 will release an ADH or two I believe. I don’t think that the 142 had any ADHs allocated to it. The H12 had 3 old face ADH's which went to RP with the 258. The 258 was allocated 4 MMC's which remained at BT. 3 replaced 62-regs on the H12, but one went on the 142 to send an extra ADE to complete the 258 allocation at RP.
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Post by snowman on Oct 2, 2022 12:41:38 GMT
So presumably when 94 is cut there will be spare BCEs S has 47001-29 (29 buses) and 47084-99 (16) and 47129 (1 extra) =46 94 will have PVR of 20, 49 has PVR of 15, PVR of 35, so about 6 or 7 spare I wonder where they will go, my hunch is on 6 going to FW to release 47148, 47152-6 to the 183 (their scheduled route), so that 125 can take the 22reg versions. In turn releasing VHs to cover take up of 295 in 4 weeks time Not sure why FW require anymore BCE’s when they already have their requirement for the 65, 281 & 371 school journeys - what are the 6 extra ones doing there? Didn't they allow some SPs to be withdrawn, before the VHS for 71 were ready. Fulwell also has a load of 235s BEs so is managing to charge about 15 extra buses each day, so suggests provision was made for something extrs
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2022 14:55:39 GMT
Not sure why FW require anymore BCE’s when they already have their requirement for the 65, 281 & 371 school journeys - what are the 6 extra ones doing there? Didn't they allow some SPs to be withdrawn, before the VHS for 71 were ready. Fulwell also has a load of 235s BEs so is managing to charge about 15 extra buses each day, so suggests provision was made for something extrs The VH’s that did make it over & the higher numbered SP’s released elsewhere replaced the 71’s own SP’s so still no closer to understanding why they need 6 extra BCE’s?
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 2, 2022 15:12:28 GMT
Didn't they allow some SPs to be withdrawn, before the VHS for 71 were ready. Fulwell also has a load of 235s BEs so is managing to charge about 15 extra buses each day, so suggests provision was made for something extrs The VH’s that did make it over & the higher numbered SP’s released elsewhere replaced the 71’s own SP’s so still no closer to understanding why they need 6 extra BCE’s? They don't need them in the long term. A number of BCEs currently at FW are from the 125's batch, and will move over to BT once electrification works are complete.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2022 18:08:46 GMT
The VH’s that did make it over & the higher numbered SP’s released elsewhere replaced the 71’s own SP’s so still no closer to understanding why they need 6 extra BCE’s? They don't need them in the long term. A number of BCEs currently at FW are from the 125's batch, and will move over to BT once electrification works are complete. I’m very aware of what examples are where…
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Post by Jack on Oct 4, 2022 17:45:49 GMT
The 94's PVR cut will release 5 buses which matches the 481's PVR so perhaps the BCEs will move to FW and replace the VHs on that route. These could move to X temporarily for the 295 and in the long term would be destined for the 340. They don’t fit round the full 481 Route - so not for that route,,, Out of interest, which part of the route causes problems compared to the VHs?
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