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Post by dragonman on Oct 9, 2022 1:06:23 GMT
Could the ADEs on the 220 be replaced mid contract? could certainly see it happening, they'll probably get replaced by VHs which become free from other routes, or maybe even convert to new routemasters.
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Post by deppy42 on Oct 9, 2022 10:26:38 GMT
I've been driving the H91 the past few days since it's return to WK. OMG Chiswick High Road/King Street is a nightmare. The local planners need to travel on a bus to see what mess they have created! I know the roadworks on the A4 are pushing traffic through Chiswick but still... Just out of interest has the arrangement for a change of drivers at Hounslow West changed since the H91 was last at WK. When it was at WK before didn't drivers take the bus back to the garage for the driver change. Noticed a RATP Dacia Sandero parked near the H91 stand so wondering if they use the car now? Or is it a mix of both? It's a mix of both. It was the same when the route was at WK before, or HH as it was then :-) There are a lot more ferry movements using the cars than they used to which has led to some reliability issues. Taking a bus from the garage to start at Hounslow West guaranteed an on time departure where the incoming bus was late. Now the driver has to wait for his late running bus to arrive. Schedules could fix this in the future but unlikely as we lose the route in a few months. We have a number of new Dacia ferry cars without any RATP branding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 12:48:00 GMT
Just out of interest has the arrangement for a change of drivers at Hounslow West changed since the H91 was last at WK. When it was at WK before didn't drivers take the bus back to the garage for the driver change. Noticed a RATP Dacia Sandero parked near the H91 stand so wondering if they use the car now? Or is it a mix of both? It's a mix of both. It was the same when the route was at WK before, or HH as it was then :-) There are a lot more ferry movements using the cars than they used to which has led to some reliability issues. Taking a bus from the garage to start at Hounslow West guaranteed an on time departure where the incoming bus was late. Now the driver has to wait for his late running bus to arrive. Schedules could fix this in the future but unlikely as we lose the route in a few months. We have a number of new Dacia ferry cars without any RATP branding. Do you think the drivers are more likely to stay at LU now they’re back at WK (once route goes to AH)
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Post by VMH2537 on Oct 9, 2022 17:34:59 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, electrification for routes 125 and 235 won't be introduced until November. Though I'm hearing the 235 won't happen until December at the earliest.
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Post by paulo on Oct 9, 2022 17:42:23 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, electrification for routes 125 and 235 won't be introduced until November. Though I'm hearing the 235 won't happen until December at the earliest. This must have had a huge impact on RATPs profitability this year. Effectively that have had dozens of vehicles in storage and no doubt had to extend leases on others to compensate. An all round miserable year for the company
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 9, 2022 18:40:38 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, electrification for routes 125 and 235 won't be introduced until November. Though I'm hearing the 235 won't happen until December at the earliest. Wonder how this will impact the 295, which was due to use some of the VHs currently on the 125? Other than about 9 VHs from the 28, not sure what else will be available. Maybe RATP may even consider hiring some VWHs from Metroline?
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Post by transportizm on Oct 9, 2022 18:42:28 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, electrification for routes 125 and 235 won't be introduced until November. Though I'm hearing the 235 won't happen until December at the earliest. Wonder how this will impact the 295, which was due to use some of the VHs currently on the 125? Other than about 9 VHs from the 28, not sure what else will be available. Maybe RATP may even consider hiring some VWHs from Metroline? It needs about ten to fifteen more buses and I believe the 92's contract is in November so I don't know maybe they might use some spare buses from other depots but there is not really that many.
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Post by COBO on Oct 9, 2022 19:37:31 GMT
Wonder how this will impact the 295, which was due to use some of the VHs currently on the 125? Other than about 9 VHs from the 28, not sure what else will be available. Maybe RATP may even consider hiring some VWHs from Metroline? It needs about ten to fifteen more buses and I believe the 92's contract is in November so I don't know maybe they might use some spare buses from other depots but there is not really that many. I suppose RTP can borrow part of existing 295 VWHs from Metroline temporarily and use the ex 28 Gemini 2 VHs for the 295 until the 125 VHs becomes available or until new buses arrive and the 92 can use part of its existing TEs and part of the remaining existing ex 295 VWHs until the VWHs on loan comeback the 92 doesn’t need the VWHs immediately and can use its TEs until the VWHs can comeback from loan or they can even send ex First TEs to X which an ex First garage for the 295 temporarily until the VHs on the 125 are available as the the 92s TEs are no different from the DNs that X use to have for the 23 a matter of fact they were apart of the same batch because they arrived at the same time.
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Post by COBO on Oct 9, 2022 19:38:44 GMT
Can you temporarily downgrade that currently uses hybrids to temporarily use diesels?
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Post by abellion on Oct 9, 2022 19:53:04 GMT
It needs about ten to fifteen more buses and I believe the 92's contract is in November so I don't know maybe they might use some spare buses from other depots but there is not really that many. I suppose RTP can borrow part of existing 295 VWHs from Metroline temporarily and use the ex 28 Gemini 2 VHs for the 295 until the 125 VHs becomes available or until new buses arrive and the 92 can use part of its existing TEs and part of the remaining existing ex 295 VWHs until the VWHs on loan comeback the 92 doesn’t need the VWHs immediately and can use its TEs until the VWHs can comeback from loan or they can even send ex First TEs to X which an ex First garage for the 295 temporarily until the VHs on the 125 are available as the the 92s TEs are no different from the DNs that X use to have for the 23 a matter of fact they were apart of the same batch because they arrived at the same time. The 92’s TEs have nowhere to go (should be 95!) so they might as well stick around for a bit if RATP needs to loan buses
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Post by paulo on Oct 9, 2022 20:12:34 GMT
I suppose RTP can borrow part of existing 295 VWHs from Metroline temporarily and use the ex 28 Gemini 2 VHs for the 295 until the 125 VHs becomes available or until new buses arrive and the 92 can use part of its existing TEs and part of the remaining existing ex 295 VWHs until the VWHs on loan comeback the 92 doesn’t need the VWHs immediately and can use its TEs until the VWHs can comeback from loan or they can even send ex First TEs to X which an ex First garage for the 295 temporarily until the VHs on the 125 are available as the the 92s TEs are no different from the DNs that X use to have for the 23 a matter of fact they were apart of the same batch because they arrived at the same time. The 92’s TEs have nowhere to go (should be 95!) so they might as well stick around for a bit if RATP needs to loan buses A few new electrics into Fulwell short term to release VHs (again).
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 9, 2022 20:21:11 GMT
The 92’s TEs have nowhere to go (should be 95!) so they might as well stick around for a bit if RATP needs to loan buses A few new electrics into Fulwell short term to release VHs (again). But surely it shouldn’t be a problem if the 295 is going to a garage already upgraded with electric chargers? Like seen a Go Ahead all of the subsequent new NP contracts started on time with electrics once the original 106/212/230 electrics were running. It still doesn’t seem an issue with the vehicles arriving but rather the actual initial instillation of charging equipment.
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Post by snowman on Oct 9, 2022 20:34:12 GMT
Can you temporarily downgrade that currently uses hybrids to temporarily use diesels? Yes, if reason for temporary use is awaiting electric buses (or chargers) As an example route 71 started a hybrid contract in July 2021, and 15 months on still generally using diesels as its hybrids are covering for chargers not being ready on 125
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Post by snowman on Oct 9, 2022 20:40:35 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, electrification for routes 125 and 235 won't be introduced until November. Though I'm hearing the 235 won't happen until December at the earliest. Wonder how this will impact the 295, which was due to use some of the VHs currently on the 125? Other than about 9 VHs from the 28, not sure what else will be available. Maybe RATP may even consider hiring some VWHs from Metroline? RATP isn’t short of buses, you can add 5 from 94, there are about 10 BCEs in store (and could put 3 or 4 at multiple garages that already have chargers), there are also handful of SPs that are not really in use and could be reinstated to service if they were desperate. Not likely to be borrowing buses
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Post by paulo on Oct 9, 2022 21:17:52 GMT
Wonder how this will impact the 295, which was due to use some of the VHs currently on the 125? Other than about 9 VHs from the 28, not sure what else will be available. Maybe RATP may even consider hiring some VWHs from Metroline? RATP isn’t short of buses, you can add 5 from 94, there are about 10 BCEs in store (and could put 3 or 4 at multiple garages that already have chargers), there are also handful of SPs that are not really in use and could be reinstated to service if they were desperate. Not likely to be borrowing buses Come to think of it, SPs could move into AV and release the ADEs that have recently been refurbed or some troublesome ADHs. As you say, no shortage of stock available just not necessarily the right type
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