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Post by londonbuses on Dec 14, 2022 16:11:23 GMT
I assume the charger issue is also what has destroyed the service on the 281?
Yesterday there were gaps of 2 hours between buses, and most were turning at Kingston Brook Street (and some were running to Kingston as the 281, standing at Brook Street and then becoming the 65).
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 14, 2022 16:13:00 GMT
For those wondering about the sudden influx of VHs on the 65, the reason apparently is due to issues/unavailability of chargers at FW. Extreme cold does have an impact on electric vehicle charging. Takes longer basically. And can reduce range. Not sure why Network Rail need power today they’re on strike. So at Sutton garage with only 10 diesel vehicles there from next year could have some issues next year as the 154 and 213 have quite high mileage each day if the range is reduced by the cold. |
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Post by abellion on Dec 14, 2022 16:23:07 GMT
Extreme cold does have an impact on electric vehicle charging. Takes longer basically. And can reduce range. Not sure why Network Rail need power today they’re on strike. So at Sutton garage with only 10 diesel vehicles there from next year could have some issues next year as the 154 and 213 have quite high mileage each day if the range is reduced by the cold. Surely they’ll see what’s happened over the past few months with routes/garages like FW and the 69 and consider saving a few more of the current buses just in case. Over at Croydon I can definitely ‘C’/see the 264 using diesels due to electric problems once the EHs are out. |
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Post by george on Dec 14, 2022 16:23:22 GMT
I assume the charger issue is also what has destroyed the service on the 281? Yesterday there were gaps of 2 hours between buses, and most were turning at Kingston Brook Street (and some were running to Kingston as the 281, standing at Brook Street and then becoming the 65). Yesterday there was two accidents on or nearby the 281 route. I was on a 418 from Kingston to Tolworth got as far as Surbiton Health Centre. I made it there before the bus. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 14, 2022 16:30:11 GMT
So at Sutton garage with only 10 diesel vehicles there from next year could have some issues next year as the 154 and 213 have quite high mileage each day if the range is reduced by the cold. Surely they’ll see what’s happened over the past few months with routes/garages like FW and the 69 and consider saving a few more of the current buses just in case. Over at Croydon I can definitely ‘C’/see the 264 using diesels due to electric problems once the EHs are out. However the key difference is most of FWs chargers are external. The ones at A will be entirely internal so it might make a difference. Neither DS or NP, which also have external chargers, don’t seem to be experiencing the same problems and are still running a full electric service. |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 14, 2022 16:31:48 GMT
Yesterday there was two accidents on or nearby the 281 route. I was on a 418 from Kingston to Tolworth got as far as Surbiton Health Centre. I made it there before the bus. I heard about the one on Wood Street, but the diversion is quicker than the actual route so shouldn't affect the route much. Where was the other one? Traffic in Kingston was awful everywhere yesterday for some reason (presumably the train strike was part of the reason). Took over an hour to get from Cromwell Road Bus Station to New Malden on the X26. |
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Post by snowman on Dec 14, 2022 16:40:52 GMT
Apparently only 20 out of around 70 chargers can be used otherwise it will cause a power outage at Fulwell Station which causes issues for network rail. Absolute chaos. I suspect that is only part of the story, doesn’t make a lot of sense that 70 chargers have been happily used for months, then suddenly 50 need to be turned off as someone down the road is still using electricity. My guess is an aging cable or transformer has failed in the area (probably due to high demand, causing the insulation to overheat and burn out), and power is coming from another substation, by cables which couldn’t cope with high loads. In which case it would be temporary until UK power replace the faulty part. There is another alternative, basically have a contract with a limit at the power Co discretion, some heavy industry has this in exchange for lower tariff. But unlike a factory, can’t really shut down for a few hours, and agreeing a contract where suddenly need to find dozens of diesel buses at short notice makes no sense to me. Twickenham is on part of the new London ring which was installed about 15 years ago, from memory the cables cross the river in a tunnel driven near Orleans Park, and run from the 132kv substation by old Kingston power station to the 132kv substation near the railway junction. There is a useful map (linked) , but although major overhead power lines are marked, doesn’t include some buried below the road. If you zoom in can see the substations marked by grey circles openinframap.org/#11.11/51.4144/-0.3928 |
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Post by Frenzie on Dec 14, 2022 18:06:14 GMT
Looks like the 371 has been suspended.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 18:15:17 GMT
Looks like the 371 has been suspended. Also, the 71 and 85 both currently are running a reduced service with its SPs and VHs being used on the 65/281. The 33 and 290 still currently maintain their hefty BE allocation though. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 14, 2022 18:19:09 GMT
Looks like the 371 has been suspended. Yes, the below is from TfL buses status. It’s times like this that make very wary of rushing out widespread electronic buses across London. There is NO SERVICE in operation on route 371 due to operational issues. Please use alternative routes to complete your journey. We apologise for any inconvenience caused to your journey. And also this Routes 65 71 85 and 281 are operating a reduced service to all destinations due to operational issues. Waiting times for buses will be longer than usual. Please allow extra time for your journey and use alternative routes if possible. We apologise for any inconvenience caused to your journey. |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 14, 2022 18:21:49 GMT
Apparently only 20 out of around 70 chargers can be used otherwise it will cause a power outage at Fulwell Station which causes issues for network rail. Absolute chaos. This just shows how WOEFULLY underprepared we are to transition to electric vehicles. Sorry but they’re not the future, this accelerated transition to EVs that is being forced upon us is totally unsustainable. EDIT: I wonder how much more severe events like this will have to become, before TfL admit that this transition to EV buses is too quick and may have to suspend or delay the rollout. Will the whole of South West London’s bus services have be suspended due to insufficient power being available to charge all the buses? |
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Post by abellion on Dec 14, 2022 18:23:07 GMT
Even with a reduced service the 65 still cannot stop bunching! 2 VHs and an SP all following each other in Richmond and another SP/VH pair minutes behind
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 14, 2022 18:24:31 GMT
Apparently only 20 out of around 70 chargers can be used otherwise it will cause a power outage at Fulwell Station which causes issues for network rail. Absolute chaos. This just shows how WOEFULLY underprepared we are to transition to electric vehicles. Sorry but they’re not the future, this accelerated transition to EVs that is being forced upon us is totally unsustainable. I think they are the future, they're faring a lot better than whatever the poor 7 is being out through. But when something is the future you don't try to rush it like this. |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 14, 2022 18:31:53 GMT
This just shows how WOEFULLY underprepared we are to transition to electric vehicles. Sorry but they’re not the future, this accelerated transition to EVs that is being forced upon us is totally unsustainable. I think they are the future, they're faring a lot better than whatever the poor 7 is being out through. But when something is the future you don't try to rush it like this. You make a good point there, and I think your latter point is actually more significant as this is what depends on whether EVs are the future or not. If what was announced yesterday with this nuclear fusion breakthrough can then mean we can massively increase our electricity supply (which is definitely possible as nuclear fusion can produce astronomical amounts of energy), THEN EVs are the future. But as it stands with our current infrastructure, then absolutely not I’m afraid |
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Post by yunus on Dec 14, 2022 18:33:26 GMT
Apparently only 20 out of around 70 chargers can be used otherwise it will cause a power outage at Fulwell Station which causes issues for network rail. Absolute chaos. This just shows how WOEFULLY underprepared we are to transition to electric vehicles. Sorry but they’re not the future, this accelerated transition to EVs that is being forced upon us is totally unsustainable. I wonder how much more severe events like this will have to become, before TfL admit that this transition to EV buses is too quick and may have to suspend or delay the rollout. Will the whole of South West London’s bus services have be suspended due to insufficient power being available to charge all the buses? Even though I am not a fan of EV and HEV buses, they are the future. Bear in mind it is still early days and these issues do not occur everyday. Eventually the technology will advance and issues like this will not occur. Every new tech has faults, going back a while HEV buses had many issues with their batteries but now it is a thing of the past (well you still get the odd issue). TFL would be crazy to delay or suspend the rollout as there is a clear air pollution crisis which needs tackling. |
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