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Post by londonbuses on Apr 12, 2024 19:57:00 GMT
It will be interesting to see what RATP's next moves in the medium term regarding procuring new vehicles for their fleet providing the firm retain their routes. RATP have a lot of upcoming work to retain and while they have lot of a significant amount of work since their change of tendering strategy recently so it will be intriguing what happens next. I have noticed a trend in recent tenders of RATP just getting 3 year contracts on the routes they have retain with virtually all their recent awards having existing vehicles specified. It makes me wonder if RATP are restraining themselves from procuring new vehicles. RATP routes like routes 33/N33, 218, 258, 266/N266, H22, H98 will probably need new vehicles regardless of operator. Interesting times ahead for RATP. I think part of the reason so many tender results of RATP routes are delayed is because the vehicles each route will use is linked to whether other routes are lost/retained, so the negotiations on a couple of routes can delay a whole load of routes. For example, if the 65 is lost (unlikely I know), then the 71 will probably convert to electrics, which frees up hybrids for the 258 or H98.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 12, 2024 20:19:27 GMT
It will be interesting to see what RATP's next moves in the medium term regarding procuring new vehicles for their fleet providing the firm retain their routes. RATP have a lot of upcoming work to retain and while they have lot of a significant amount of work since their change of tendering strategy recently so it will be intriguing what happens next. I have noticed a trend in recent tenders of RATP just getting 3 year contracts on the routes they have retain with virtually all their recent awards having existing vehicles specified. It makes me wonder if RATP are restraining themselves from procuring new vehicles. RATP routes like routes 33/N33, 218, 258, 266/N266, H22, H98 will probably need new vehicles regardless of operator. Interesting times ahead for RATP. I think part of the reason so many tender results of RATP routes are delayed is because the vehicles each route will use is linked to whether other routes are lost/retained, so the negotiations on a couple of routes can delay a whole load of routes. For example, if the 65 is lost (unlikely I know), then the 71 will probably convert to electrics, which frees up hybrids for the 258 or H98. The E1 may free up some for a short contract on the H98 if the E3 is going to continue with its current ones.
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Post by vlw92 on Apr 12, 2024 21:03:24 GMT
It will be interesting to see what RATP's next moves in the medium term regarding procuring new vehicles for their fleet providing the firm retain their routes. RATP have a lot of upcoming work to retain and while they have lot of a significant amount of work since their change of tendering strategy recently so it will be intriguing what happens next. I have noticed a trend in recent tenders of RATP just getting 3 year contracts on the routes they have retain with virtually all their recent awards having existing vehicles specified. It makes me wonder if RATP are restraining themselves from procuring new vehicles. RATP routes like routes 33/N33, 218, 258, 266/N266, H22, H98 will probably need new vehicles regardless of operator. Interesting times ahead for RATP. It's just interesting how quickly things can change. Come 2020/1 and RATP were steam rolling everyone with all their impressive wins. Steamrolling with the cheap unnatainable tendering, something which has bitten them in the backside. Nobody expected inflation to hit 10+%. This is what is killing operators. CT, Tower and Sullivans know this too well
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Post by vjaska on Apr 12, 2024 22:03:32 GMT
Had a stint at Metrobus as 979, looking at one of the descriptions, it was an ex-demonstrator loaned out to TfL operators along with another one to cover for N230UD vehicles being modified? Edit: "YT11LSC and YT11LSD (and YT11LSE for outer-London services) were introduced by Scania whilst the company gradually started taking back all the N230UD chassis buses to undergo changes. YT11LSC was first introduced with London United (numbered SC01), but has now passed to Stagecoach (numbered 80021). YT11LSD was first introduced with Metrobus (numbered 979). then passed to CT Plus (where it was uncoded) and finally Stagecoach (numbered 80019)." Taken from wltmauc.blogspot.com/2013/05/random-picture-of-month-6-may.htmlThanks for that. Was an interesting read! Seem to remember they all had go back for modifications to their staircases if my memory serves me right. Yes that’s right - a structural fault with the staircase was discovered and all Scanias were subsequently sent back for modifications resulting in these demonstrators being used as cover
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Post by junaid151000 on Apr 13, 2024 5:15:54 GMT
Is there a reason why the N266 uses ADEs occasionally but the (N)220 doesn’t at all? IIRC the 220 was still using VHs overnight even before the 13reg VHs came, in fact the 13reg don’t seem to be used overnight on the 220 either, only the 18’s Gemini 3s are. I can answer this, on the lates and night duties when drivers have their break, we bring our buses back to the garage, then it’s pretty much free for all when taking a bus out for our second half and 99% of the driver preference is vh. Also when we bring our buses back to garage the buses go straight to the wash and then gets parked up for the next day so we don’t really have the space to park our existing bus for our second half unless we stay at Willesden Junction. I personally like to swap my bus for a vh because our ade are very exhausted and can be very tiring to drive. With the N266 the night drivers pretty much get their bus from live change over so they take their bus from the day time. The first departure from Hammersmith is actually covered by a late duty not a night duty ( hence you would see an Ade or adh) the night duties is the same as the 220, they bring the bus light to the garage for their break and swap the bus for a vh
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Post by sp17 on Apr 13, 2024 22:04:39 GMT
Whilst doing a search on the LVF on vehicles that had done the 114, it threw up YT11, YT11LSD. Anyone know anything of this vehicle? It appeared to of been almost route-bound to the 114 between May > August 2013. Before that, it appeared to of been at Stagecoach for a while, as there 80019 between September 2012 > May 2013 before going to RATP. Looking on Flickr, it also had a stint at Reading Buses and Adventure Travel. That YT11, was an absolute beast being an N270.
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2024 20:56:14 GMT
Twickenham is rammed again. A number of SDEs from TV are now residing there along with the Atkins branded Optrare Solo
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Post by paulo on Apr 14, 2024 21:40:54 GMT
Twickenham is rammed again. A number of SDEs from TV are now residing there along with the Atkins branded Optrare Solo ADH40004 stripped of a number of components including engine and hybrid system is there too with an A4 in the front window proclaiming ‘scrap bus’ which it clearly is. Not much remaining of DE20160 either. DE20119 is withdrawn too but displaying H22 blinds, a route it has never actually seen service on.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 14, 2024 23:14:23 GMT
Twickenham is rammed again. A number of SDEs from TV are now residing there along with the Atkins branded Optrare Solo Looking at LVF, I'm guessing the ex S3 64 reg ones and possibly some of the K5's 14 reg are at Twickenham?
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Post by paulo on Apr 15, 2024 8:21:21 GMT
Twickenham is rammed again. A number of SDEs from TV are now residing there along with the Atkins branded Optrare Solo Looking at LVF, I'm guessing the ex S3 64 reg ones and possibly some of the K5's 14 reg are at Twickenham? Seems to be a mix of them rather than just a batch. I didn’t see any of the K5 allocation there only ex S3.
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Post by Dad91 on Apr 15, 2024 12:10:21 GMT
RAPT Group Retained 371 71 33
71 Existing Hybrids Currently on the route PVR 13
371 existing electric buses currently on the route PVR 14 33& N33 New electric buses PVR 18
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Post by aleed on Apr 15, 2024 14:40:51 GMT
RAPT Group Retained 371 71 33 71 Existing Hybrids Currently on the route PVR 13 371 existing electric buses currently on the route PVR 14 33& N33 New electric buses PVR 18 I'm even happier to hear that the 33 is going to be getting new electrics, from RATP as well! It's been a really long time since they've ordered new buses and although they might be BYDs, I'd be very interested to see if they order something else with the new buses coming into the market!
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Post by adl on Apr 15, 2024 18:49:56 GMT
I assume the K1 is now fully MMC SDE. SDE20302 (From the 404) - SDE20315 & 1x 17 reg MMC? Then the K5 part MMC and part E200 Dart. I'd imagine 2x 17 reg and 5x 14 reg E200 Dart.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 15, 2024 19:30:26 GMT
I assume the K1 is now fully MMC SDE. SDE20302 (From the 404) - SDE20315 & 1x 17 reg MMC? Then the K5 part MMC and part E200 Dart. I'd imagine 2x 17 reg and 5x 14 reg E200 Dart. The K5 seems to be using a mix of its own 14-reg buses and the ex S3 64-reg ones (I would've thought they'd keep one batch and withdraw the other).
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Post by paulo on Apr 15, 2024 21:34:42 GMT
I assume the K1 is now fully MMC SDE. SDE20302 (From the 404) - SDE20315 & 1x 17 reg MMC? Then the K5 part MMC and part E200 Dart. I'd imagine 2x 17 reg and 5x 14 reg E200 Dart. The K5 seems to be using a mix of its own 14-reg buses and the ex S3 64-reg ones (I would've thought they'd keep one batch and withdraw the other). Has the K1 had a PVR increase at some point?
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