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Post by cl54 on Jul 17, 2024 9:58:35 GMT
Some years ago TfL tried to get an operator to extend route 129 from Greenwich Cutty Sark to Blackheath Village. Nobody bid for it. Eventually Stagecoach added the section to route 386 which has suffered resulting delays from the Blackheath sections ever since. Operating routes from several garages always caused problems with each one looking after their own crews. Turning buses short was frequent to get them back to their home garage. I seem to recall a propsoed 228 route from North Greenwich via Greenwich I think to Eltham which didn't receive any bids around 2002/03. I think part of the proposal became the 132 extension but not sure. North Greenwich to Greenwich Cutty Sark became the original 129 section.
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Post by mark on Jul 17, 2024 10:00:20 GMT
I can't see any legal basis for TFL to compel any operator to operate any particular route, but would have thought TFL would not allow the service to stop for weeks or months while they re-tender.
Has there ever been an occasion when a tendered (TFL) route has had no bids at all?
From the perspective of someone who's not directly involved, I'd have thought the options would be -
1 - try and come to an agreement for a short term contract with the existing operator, and re-tender it (and try and get some feedback from operators why they didn't bid for it, and consider whether some change to the specification might address those reasons)
2 - seek informal quotes from alternative operators for a short term contract
3 - seek short term emergency options involving multiple operators (as has happened a few times when an operator has ceased trading suddenly)
I suppose it would increase the attraction of having an in-house 'operator of last resort' if that happened, although would be difficult to set that up in a way it could operate anywhere in London. I think the 393 never had any bids and that was why East Thames took on the route. Correct!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 17, 2024 10:42:28 GMT
I seem to recall a propsoed 228 route from North Greenwich via Greenwich I think to Eltham which didn't receive any bids around 2002/03. I think part of the proposal became the 132 extension but not sure. North Greenwich to Greenwich Cutty Sark became the original 129 section. I think Greenwich to Blackheath became the 386 extension from Greenwich to Blackheath Village aswell.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 17, 2024 15:22:44 GMT
DLEs are now officially being allowed on the 326.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 17, 2024 15:26:24 GMT
North Greenwich to Greenwich Cutty Sark became the original 129 section. I think Greenwich to Blackheath became the 386 extension from Greenwich to Blackheath Village aswell. As I said in my original post about tenders without bidders. The above post was in reply to a subsequent post.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Jul 17, 2024 19:41:14 GMT
DLEs are now officially being allowed on the 326. Aren't the ex 223 MMCs still spare right now? The 326 could get a hold of them. Idk but it's about time some DLEs went on the 326.
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Post by i3lu on Jul 17, 2024 20:59:44 GMT
DLEs are now officially being allowed on the 326. very surprised! Do you know the reason behind, and what stopped that for years? The 326 needed DLEs as much as the 143 needs DDs in that areas.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 17, 2024 21:56:48 GMT
DLEs are now officially being allowed on the 326. very surprised! Do you know the reason behind, and what stopped that for years? The 326 needed DLEs as much as the 143 needs DDs in that areas. Is there any section on the 143 that prevents 10.8m SDs from being used? It has seen the occasional DEL but not very often. Both the 143 and C11 could definitely do with the extra capacity, it's a shame Metroline have ordered more 10.2m for them (and likely the 268 as well).
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 17, 2024 21:57:41 GMT
DLEs are now officially being allowed on the 326. Aren't the ex 223 MMCs still spare right now? The 326 could get a hold of them. Idk but it's about time some DLEs went on the 326. Spare at the moment but likely to cover new allocations at AV (on the 419 or H22).
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Post by i3lu on Jul 17, 2024 23:25:09 GMT
very surprised! Do you know the reason behind, and what stopped that for years? The 326 needed DLEs as much as the 143 needs DDs in that areas. Is there any section on the 143 that prevents 10.8m SDs from being used? It has seen the occasional DEL but not very often. Both the 143 and C11 could definitely do with the extra capacity, it's a shame Metroline have ordered more 10.2m for them (and likely the 268 as well). The only restriction on the 143 is double deckers on Long Ln/ Squires Ln due to residents issues on that area. That's the main reasons why 143 never seen DDs further than Archway - East Finchley section and why the 643 goes to East Finchley via East End Rd from Brent Cross. 10.8s are fine on the 143. 643 has also some morning journeys displayed as 143 and DEs used as it is doing the same as 643 but covering the streets mentioned in the first sentence.
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Post by paulo on Jul 18, 2024 5:58:10 GMT
LTs are due to run on the H98 today thereby commencing the conversion ahead of contract renewal in 2025.
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Post by SN17MOA on Jul 18, 2024 6:40:09 GMT
LTs are due to run on the H98 today thereby commencing the conversion ahead of contract renewal in 2025. 2 LTs are out on the route right now. Hounslow is now a dumping ground for spare LTs with 3 routes either in the process of being fully converted or has been converted already (H32, H91, H98). Let's not forget that the 111 had LTs as an allocation 3 or so years ago.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 18, 2024 6:59:41 GMT
LTs are due to run on the H98 today thereby commencing the conversion ahead of contract renewal in 2025. 2 LTs are out on the route right now. Hounslow is now a dumping ground for spare LTs with 3 routes either in the process of being fully converted or has been converted already (H32, H91, H98). Let's not forget that the 111 had LTs as an allocation 3 or so years ago. It's funny but when the LTs were first introduced, 3 routes in the Hounslow area would not have been high on the list of potential routes.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jul 18, 2024 12:57:57 GMT
TfL has published details of the 65/N65 tender awarded in April 2024. As some had previously speculated, the results page shows that London United was indeed the sole operator to submit a bid. The award was "part of a joint bid with routes 33/N33, 71, 281/N281/681, 290, 371, 406/418 and K5 totalling £45,826,836 pa". The 2024 65/N65 tender was awarded with a cost per mile of £9.84. That compares with the cost per mile of £6.22 under London United's previous successful bid for the route in November 2020, indicating a 58% increase in this figure under the new 2024 contract.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 18, 2024 13:36:59 GMT
TfL has published details of the 65/N65 tender awarded in April 2024. As some had previously speculated, the results page shows that London United was indeed the sole operator to submit a bid. The award was "part of a joint bid with routes 33/N33, 71, 281/N281/681, 290, 371, 406/418 and K5 totalling £45,826,836 pa". The 2024 65/N65 tender was awarded with a cost per mile of £9.84. That compares with the cost per mile of £6.22 under London United's previous successful bid for the route in November 2020, indicating a 58% increase in this figure under the new 2024 contract. Yet in reality revenue since 2021 on the route probably hasn't gone up 58% in terms of actual money the route takes.
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