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Post by londonbuses on Sept 19, 2024 18:43:44 GMT
There's potential that S could squeeze in another small electric route, but given its unlikely they'll order E200EVs for the 218, they would be introducing a new type into whichever garage it goes to, so presumably they've decided X is a better garage for the route (or have plans to move another route into S like the 283). If AV closed, I would expect the 110 to move to V, the 419 and H22 to FW (with the K3 moving to TV, plus space from the 33's PVR cut and 481 loss), and if RATP lose the 105, then the remaining routes (117, 203, H37, H98, 696, 698) should be able to fit into WK, but as you say RATP would be at full capacity in the area if this happened. I highly doubt RATP will bid for the 493 regardless of AV's situation, but if they retain the 105 and/or win the 285 or H25 then that will probably mean AV is here to stay. I actually think the H37 would end up at V, it is considerably closer than WK to the Manor Circus terminus and it's pretty quick to Hounslow along the Great West Road. With 203 now using double decks, there's no advantage to keep H37 and 203 together. I also think the 71 would move over to TV over the K3, the 71 operated out of TV with the K3 at FW from 2018-2020 and only moved to FW to accommodate the K1. Also WK should be able to fit the 117/203/H98/696/698 without the 105 being lost, 117 roughly replaces 216, 203 replaces 411, the school routes roughly replaces the KU routes (going to TV) and H98 should still be more than able to fit. Nonetheless I can't see AV closing, this is just what I think would happen in the unlikely event it did. H37 to V is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. The rest of the routes would then fit into WK without the 105 going as you say, it was the H37 that would've overfilled the garage. The 71 is very unlikely to move to FW over the K3, since the 71 is crosslinked with the N65 (and I can't see this being removed). Additionally the K3 moving to TV means its frankly ridiculous driver changeover point at Norbiton Church/Tiffin Boys School would probably be moved to a much more suitable location (most likely Surbiton).
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Post by COBO on Sept 19, 2024 18:51:45 GMT
I actually think the H37 would end up at V, it is considerably closer than WK to the Manor Circus terminus and it's pretty quick to Hounslow along the Great West Road. With 203 now using double decks, there's no advantage to keep H37 and 203 together. I also think the 71 would move over to TV over the K3, the 71 operated out of TV with the K3 at FW from 2018-2020 and only moved to FW to accommodate the K1. Also WK should be able to fit the 117/203/H98/696/698 without the 105 being lost, 117 roughly replaces 216, 203 replaces 411, the school routes roughly replaces the KU routes (going to TV) and H98 should still be more than able to fit. Nonetheless I can't see AV closing, this is just what I think would happen in the unlikely event it did. H37 to V is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. The rest of the routes would then fit into WK without the 105 going as you say, it was the H37 that would've overfilled the garage. The 71 is very unlikely to move to FW over the K3, since the 71 is crosslinked with the N65 (and I can't see this being removed). Additionally the K3 moving to TV means the its frankly ridiculous driver changeover point at Norbiton Church/Tiffin Boys School would probably be moved to a much more suitable location (most likely Surbiton). The 71 has moved to other garage before so do the 71 and cross links can be removed. Crossljnks can be moved on to other removed or it can be withdrawn or you keep a few journeys at FW to keep the cross link. Cross links aren’t permanent like for example the 698 was once cross linked with the 125 the cross links were removed when the 698 moved to AV. So it can be moved like example in 2020 RATP moved the 71 to TV they kept few journeys at FW just so that N65 can still have its cross link with the 71.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 19, 2024 19:07:46 GMT
I actually think the H37 would end up at V, it is considerably closer than WK to the Manor Circus terminus and it's pretty quick to Hounslow along the Great West Road. With 203 now using double decks, there's no advantage to keep H37 and 203 together. I also think the 71 would move over to TV over the K3, the 71 operated out of TV with the K3 at FW from 2018-2020 and only moved to FW to accommodate the K1. Also WK should be able to fit the 117/203/H98/696/698 without the 105 being lost, 117 roughly replaces 216, 203 replaces 411, the school routes roughly replaces the KU routes (going to TV) and H98 should still be more than able to fit. Nonetheless I can't see AV closing, this is just what I think would happen in the unlikely event it did. H37 to V is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. The rest of the routes would then fit into WK without the 105 going as you say, it was the H37 that would've overfilled the garage. The 71 is very unlikely to move to FW over the K3, since the 71 is crosslinked with the N65 (and I can't see this being removed). Additionally the K3 moving to TV means the its frankly ridiculous driver changeover point at Norbiton Church/Tiffin Boys School would probably be moved to a much more suitable location (most likely Surbiton). What, why is the changeover point there?!?! That's awful as you say.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 19, 2024 19:16:27 GMT
H37 to V is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. The rest of the routes would then fit into WK without the 105 going as you say, it was the H37 that would've overfilled the garage. The 71 is very unlikely to move to FW over the K3, since the 71 is crosslinked with the N65 (and I can't see this being removed). Additionally the K3 moving to TV means the its frankly ridiculous driver changeover point at Norbiton Church/Tiffin Boys School would probably be moved to a much more suitable location (most likely Surbiton). What, why is the changeover point there?!?! That's awful as you say. Suspect that’s only because of the bus stops being all over the place with the Cromwell Road rebuild
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 19, 2024 19:18:36 GMT
What, why is the changeover point there?!?! That's awful as you say. Suspect that’s only because of the bus stops being all over the place with the Cromwell Road rebuild It has always been there towards Esher, since it doesn't serve Cromwell Road Bus Station in that direction.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 19, 2024 19:43:48 GMT
Should be plenty of space for the 218's PVR of 9 - as the 72, 94 and 148 have all had PVR cuts over recent years. It would make sense to swap the 72 and 218 though, in terms of staffing and vehicle types. I think the bigger question with RATP garage allocations in this area, is whether it is feasible to keep all the current garages in the long term, considering the excess capacity overall - particularly since the acquisition of Westbourne Park garage. V would seem the most logical option to close, since any routes in the area could easily be run from another RATP garage, plus it's not electrified yet and the location would be valuable for redevelopment. Will clearly depend though on the future of RP garage with potential redevelopment there - plus there's also a lot of excess capacity further west between AV and WK. I don't think it is possible at the moment for S to take another electric route due to the charging capacity, although they can probably squeeze in a smaller sized diesel route such as the 283. If/when RP closes, I expect the 220 will move to V, and maybe the 224 too (although that will probably end up going to Metroline anyway). If any RATP garage does close (apart from RP), I would expect it to be AV. Given its location in Hounslow Town Centre next to Hounslow East station, its practically a guarantee that a developer would purchase the site, and the fact RATP didn't even bid for the 81 and 120 (especially with the excess capacity in the area as you mention) signals that they do not intend on electrifying the garage. If the garage did close, I would expect the 110 to move to V as well. 81? I think you're getting the 81 mixed up with the 222. The 120 RATP also didn't bid for as you stated correctly on that one.
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 19, 2024 19:46:45 GMT
I don't think it is possible at the moment for S to take another electric route due to the charging capacity, although they can probably squeeze in a smaller sized diesel route such as the 283. If/when RP closes, I expect the 220 will move to V, and maybe the 224 too (although that will probably end up going to Metroline anyway). If any RATP garage does close (apart from RP), I would expect it to be AV. Given its location in Hounslow Town Centre next to Hounslow East station, its practically a guarantee that a developer would purchase the site, and the fact RATP didn't even bid for the 81 and 120 (especially with the excess capacity in the area as you mention) signals that they do not intend on electrifying the garage. If the garage did close, I would expect the 110 to move to V as well. 81? I think you're getting the 81 mixed up with the 222. The 120 RATP also didn't bid for as you stated correctly on that one. Yeah I meant 120 and 222.
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Post by kingpins on Sept 19, 2024 20:19:31 GMT
K3 changeover point/reliefs used to be at Roehampton Asda terminus when previously run from TV.
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