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Post by COBO on Sept 8, 2024 18:38:58 GMT
So do existing buses for and existing 3 year contract get repainted and refurbished?
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Post by COBO on Sept 8, 2024 18:39:43 GMT
S might be a good place for the 220 to return to if/when RP closes. Although, I doubt it has space for another route. Theoretically couldn't either (or both) the 295/220 run from V? I've always assumed it has a lot of space as it seems as though, except for the 218, its been on a decline of routes i.e. 10,9,211,27,306,391 and I can't think of any replacements. It's very sad in a way how RATP have lost all these central London routes, and the fact that they only have a handful left, even less if they hadn't bought X! Does V have a charging facility?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2024 18:51:02 GMT
Theoretically couldn't either (or both) the 295/220 run from V? I've always assumed it has a lot of space as it seems as though, except for the 218, its been on a decline of routes i.e. 10,9,211,27,306,391 and I can't think of any replacements. It's very sad in a way how RATP have lost all these central London routes, and the fact that they only have a handful left, even less if they hadn't bought X! Does V have a charging facility? Yes, I believe they've got a few for use on diversions.
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Post by COBO on Sept 8, 2024 19:35:46 GMT
AV has had charging facilities before would there be issues if AV had new facilities installed?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 8, 2024 19:42:02 GMT
AV has had charging facilities before would there be issues if AV had new facilities installed? I can't imagine there will be an issue per se but the OCE chargers were on the forecourt of the garage and not inside the garage itself. I can visualise the OCEs charging, they were by the entrance used by routes 222/81/H98/116 etc to the bus station itself. As such it hasn't had 'charging facilities' before, just a few chargers. For example, the 281* couldn't suddenly run from AV, even for a week, without extensive work being done. *this is just given as an example to my point, I'm not saying it will move to AV, temporarily or permanently. I could have equally used 235 as my example, or even X140. SL9.
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Post by mrhk on Sept 8, 2024 21:09:51 GMT
AV has had charging facilities before would there be issues if AV had new facilities installed? I can't imagine there will be an issue per se but the OCE chargers were on the forecourt of the garage and not inside the garage itself. I can visualise the OCEs charging, they were by the entrance used by routes 222/81/H98/116 etc to the bus station itself. As such it hasn't had 'charging facilities' before, just a few chargers. For example, the 281* couldn't suddenly run from AV, even for a week, without extensive work being done. *this is just given as an example to my point, I'm not saying it will move to AV, temporarily or permanently. I could have equally used 235 as my example, or even X140. SL9. Is there a reason routes 120 and 281 stand inside the actual bus station whereas other routes such as 222, H32 and H98 do not? I always assumed for the 120 it was because AV was its home garage but AV has never been 281's home garage so its whats the reasoning behind it.
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Post by COBO on Sept 8, 2024 21:25:10 GMT
I can't imagine there will be an issue per se but the OCE chargers were on the forecourt of the garage and not inside the garage itself. I can visualise the OCEs charging, they were by the entrance used by routes 222/81/H98/116 etc to the bus station itself. As such it hasn't had 'charging facilities' before, just a few chargers. For example, the 281* couldn't suddenly run from AV, even for a week, without extensive work being done. *this is just given as an example to my point, I'm not saying it will move to AV, temporarily or permanently. I could have equally used 235 as my example, or even X140. SL9. Is there a reason routes 120 and 281 stand inside the actual bus station whereas other routes such as 222, H32 and H98 do not? I always assumed for the 120 it was because AV was its home garage but AV has never been 281's home garage so its whats the reasoning behind it. The 281 has been operated by AV it was operated from AV in the early 90’s.
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Post by jake on Sept 8, 2024 21:27:14 GMT
where is the 218 moving to? X so what was the point of it moving to V in the first place, maybe unless it has electrics for it’s new contract? either way couldn’t it at least move to S, Westbourne Park to North Acton seems like a long, unnecessary dead run. Doesn’t V have chargers also
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Post by COBO on Sept 8, 2024 21:37:22 GMT
so what was the point of it moving to V in the first place, maybe unless it has electrics for it’s new contract? either way couldn’t it at least move to S, Westbourne Park to North Acton seems like a long, unnecessary dead run. Doesn’t V have chargers also I don’t think a dead run from North Acton to X is long. X isn’t that far from North Acton. Also both Westbourne Park and Hammersmith is served by the H&c city line which makes for an easy changeover. I believe the reason the 218 was moved to V was to fill the gap and to take some of the drivers who didn’t want to go with the 9 to Metroline after the 9 was loss to Metroline. The 218 is getting electrics for its new contract.
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Post by sdaniel on Sept 9, 2024 0:29:20 GMT
I knew 31 would be coming home I hope the frequency will be increase to every 6-8 minutes during the day. Because I’ve noticed that 31 has been overcrowded ever since it went to Metroline and they reduced he daytime service.
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Post by sdaniel on Sept 9, 2024 0:30:41 GMT
Great Retained for RATP Group London didn't expect 125 be retained I think 125 is better as part of RATP Group anyway, it only joined about 3 years ago.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 9, 2024 6:12:35 GMT
I can't imagine there will be an issue per se but the OCE chargers were on the forecourt of the garage and not inside the garage itself. I can visualise the OCEs charging, they were by the entrance used by routes 222/81/H98/116 etc to the bus station itself. As such it hasn't had 'charging facilities' before, just a few chargers. For example, the 281* couldn't suddenly run from AV, even for a week, without extensive work being done. *this is just given as an example to my point, I'm not saying it will move to AV, temporarily or permanently. I could have equally used 235 as my example, or even X140. SL9. Is there a reason routes 120 and 281 stand inside the actual bus station whereas other routes such as 222, H32 and H98 do not? I always assumed for the 120 it was because AV was its home garage but AV has never been 281's home garage so its whats the reasoning behind it. From what I've seen, absolutely no reason other than that they used the stands closest to the main road before the redesigning of the AV forecourt. When the stops inside the bus station were removed, it was decided that it was only safe to have two stops. Those two happened to be the existing 120 and 281 stops, so they stayed and the others went. In all honesty it would make sense now to swap the 120 for another route, maybe an AV route as buses deadrunning from SG have to loop around the forecourt to serve that single stop, whereas they could simply turn right from Kingsley Road to start from the School Road bus stop. I've noticed a lot of buses on both that and the 81 (which starts from School Road regardless) do run light to SG for driver changeovers or to take stand time, so this could certainly be beneficial operationally. Returning to the original question of the 120 and 281 stopping inside the bus station, it's a similar story in nearby Richmond, where the 337 uses the stand closest to the single outbound bus stop, so is the only route to serve it. The 190/391/419 were removed from that stop some time ago as buses had to cut in front of the 337s to serve the stop, which was unsafe. When the 493 was originally cut back to there, it also served the 337 stop for about a month until it was deemed unsafe again.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 9, 2024 8:37:06 GMT
I knew 31 would be coming home I hope the frequency will be increase to every 6-8 minutes during the day. Because I’ve noticed that 31 has been overcrowded ever since it went to Metroline and they reduced he daytime service. I dount it. Its been awarded with a PVR of 15 and it wasn't Metroline decision to drop the freq.
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Post by td on Sept 9, 2024 12:37:28 GMT
I’ve heard the build quality is awful as well. Hopefully they will come with air cooling fitted as I don’t think TUK‘s batch have it. They are are like being in a sauna in summer due to poor air circulation. TUK’s Kites only have one opening window on the kerb side. And The build quality is awful you’re right. TUK’s 1707 rattled like an old E200 thanks to badly fitted grab poles. Typical ‘that’ll do’ British attitude, make it look quite nice to mask the cr*p underneath I think it's a real shame cause I really like the interior design of them but they're the only bus I've been on that feels like it's going to fold in on itself when it takes a corner. I do think they're slightly batch dependant, E6's seem much worse than the R70's
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Post by tts on Sept 9, 2024 13:23:15 GMT
BCE47116 seen in Harrow with a smashed front window
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