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Post by londonbuses on Nov 1, 2024 1:19:24 GMT
With enough chargers, yes. And what about the space? Having chargers is one thing but having space is another. X has plenty of space, the garage is currently half empty! It is incredibly unlikely the 226 will ever move to X though, as changeovers would be incredibly difficult and expensive from there. If it ever has to be moved out of BT for whatever reason, it will more than likely go to V, with changeovers taking place at Ealing Broadway using the District Line. |
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Post by exbox on Nov 1, 2024 5:00:24 GMT
are electrics more efficient to run than diesels/hybrids. in terms of cost wouldn't it also be cheaper to use electricity? if so why couldn't the OME's replace the aging VDW's/ADH's at X, or use them to displace the ADH's to other garages why also would TFL opt for a diesel bid in 2024 when RATP were offering electrics (route 28), especially as cleaner buses appeal more to them EVs are about 30% cheaper to run but the issue is charger capacity. Also I’m not quite sure what drove Optare/Switch to install obsolete type 1 chargers when CCS has been standard for about 10 years. |
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Post by jake on Nov 1, 2024 16:15:26 GMT
was CP at any point single decker only? Wasn't it something to do with the low roof. Have they expanded/adapted it to accommodate the H14 or am I just completely wrong
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 1, 2024 16:17:21 GMT
was CP at any point single decker only? Wasn't it something to do with the low roof. Have they expanded/adapted it to accommodate the H14 or am I just completely wrong That was SO. It has a low beam through the middle so was unsuitable for double deckers. It was corrected when the 183 moved in a few years ago. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 1, 2024 16:18:23 GMT
was CP at any point single decker only? Wasn't it something to do with the low roof. Have they expanded/adapted it to accommodate the H14 or am I just completely wrong Yes it was said that the H12 was lost to Metroline as a low beam made the garage impractical for DD operation. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2024 16:33:39 GMT
was CP at any point single decker only? Wasn't it something to do with the low roof. Have they expanded/adapted it to accommodate the H14 or am I just completely wrong Yes it was said that the H12 was lost to Metroline as a low beam made the garage impractical for DD operation. I think you might mean SO as CP based at Parr Road near Stanmore and Canons Park is able to take deckers and has done since it opened a couple of years ago. The H14 did or still does have an allocation there and so did the X140 at one point |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 1, 2024 16:36:57 GMT
Yes it was said that the H12 was lost to Metroline as a low beam made the garage impractical for DD operation. I think you might mean SO as CP based at Parr Road near Stanmore and Canons Park is able to take deckers and has done since it opened a couple of years ago. The H14 did or still does have an allocation there and so did the X140 at one point Yes I am. I was confused between the 2. So its SO that cannot take DDs. |
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Post by jake on Nov 1, 2024 16:58:14 GMT
If it was corrected wouldn't it have been more practical to operate the 258 from there rather than RP
also kind of crazy to think that the Watford routes have changed hands 3 times now
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Post by mrhk on Nov 1, 2024 17:16:44 GMT
If it was corrected wouldn't it have been more practical to operate the 258 from there rather than RP also kind of crazy to think that the Watford routes have changed hands 3 times now Space restrictions at SO meant it could only be at BT/RP and was at BT for all of its LS stint until recently moving to RP . I reckon if GR had stayed open, the routes could've potentially stayed. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 1, 2024 20:14:23 GMT
If it was corrected wouldn't it have been more practical to operate the 258 from there rather than RP also kind of crazy to think that the Watford routes have changed hands 3 times now Space restrictions at SO meant it could only be at BT/RP and was at BT for all of its LS stint until recently moving to RP . I reckon if GR had stayed open, the routes could've potentially stayed. The 258 was won by RATP on the basis of running from SO - the original plan was for the 183 to move to BT to make space (which had a split BT/SO allocation at the time). Even BT was never ideal for the 258 when the competition (HD) is on the line of route. I also think GR closed because they lost the 142 and 258 (being by far the nearest TFL routes to the garage). |
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Post by COBO on Nov 1, 2024 20:34:32 GMT
Space restrictions at SO meant it could only be at BT/RP and was at BT for all of its LS stint until recently moving to RP . I reckon if GR had stayed open, the routes could've potentially stayed. The 258 was won by RATP on the basis of running from SO - the original plan was for the 183 to move to BT to make space (which had a split BT/SO allocation at the time). Even BT was never ideal for the 258 when the competition (HD) is on the line of route. I also think GR closed because they lost the 142 and 258 (being by far the nearest TFL routes to the garage). I hear was because they were losing the 305 is the reason why the garage was closed. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 1, 2024 23:26:52 GMT
The 258 was won by RATP on the basis of running from SO - the original plan was for the 183 to move to BT to make space (which had a split BT/SO allocation at the time). Even BT was never ideal for the 258 when the competition (HD) is on the line of route. I also think GR closed because they lost the 142 and 258 (being by far the nearest TFL routes to the garage). I hear was because they were losing the 305 is the reason why the garage was closed. Was the 305 not absorbed into today's 303? |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 1, 2024 23:29:18 GMT
Space restrictions at SO meant it could only be at BT/RP and was at BT for all of its LS stint until recently moving to RP . I reckon if GR had stayed open, the routes could've potentially stayed. The 258 was won by RATP on the basis of running from SO - the original plan was for the 183 to move to BT to make space (which had a split BT/SO allocation at the time). Even BT was never ideal for the 258 when the competition (HD) is on the line of route. I also think GR closed because they lost the 142 and 258 (being by far the nearest TFL routes to the garage). BT wasn't too far from either termini so it wasn't the worst decision - definitely better than the current SO/RP split. I thought GR was closed as it was to be replaced by new housing. I do miss the ALX400s and the PDLs that were at GR. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 1, 2024 23:45:56 GMT
I hear was because they were losing the 305 is the reason why the garage was closed. Was the 305 not absorbed into today's 303? Yes but they were still losing a route. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 1, 2024 23:46:32 GMT
The 258 was won by RATP on the basis of running from SO - the original plan was for the 183 to move to BT to make space (which had a split BT/SO allocation at the time). Even BT was never ideal for the 258 when the competition (HD) is on the line of route. I also think GR closed because they lost the 142 and 258 (being by far the nearest TFL routes to the garage). BT wasn't too far from either termini so it wasn't the worst decision - definitely better than the current SO/RP split. I thought GR was closed as it was to be replaced by new housing. I do miss the ALX400s and the PDLs that were at GR. Yes but GR was closer. |
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