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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2024 14:16:39 GMT
I think the last thing anyone wants is a certain cowboy operator to be screwing users of Uxbridge Road. I think the last thing everybody wants is to continue listening to your dribble and waffle The irony! |
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 25, 2024 15:36:17 GMT
I think the last thing anyone wants is a certain cowboy operator to be screwing users of Uxbridge Road. I think the last thing everybody wants is to continue listening to your dribble and waffle Waffling? I think the waffler here is the company talks of improvements, but is yet to produced any to this day. Words don't mean anything until action is conducted. Unless the only success of they will define is an 'Arriva level' of success by abounding sections, caring little about users for the sake of performance targets. As I said before, I won't shut up until my services are up to standard. Quite frankly, the only ones who seem irritated by my comments are those who seem to form some "RATP Defence League" regardless as many times members post feedback on their routes. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 25, 2024 15:49:44 GMT
caring little about users for the sake of performance targets. You seem to have copied the GAL mantra, careful they don't sue for copyright. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2024 15:50:57 GMT
I think the last thing everybody wants is to continue listening to your dribble and waffle Waffling? I think the waffler here is the company talks of improvements, but is yet to produced any to this day. Words don't mean anything until action is conducted. Unless the only success of they will define is an 'Arriva level' of success by abounding sections, caring little about users for the sake of performance targets. As I said before, I won't shut up until my services are up to standard. Quite frankly, the only ones who seem irritated by my comments are those who seem to form some "RATP Defence League" regardless as many times members post feedback on their routes. Just to be clear given I replied to your earlier post, I'm not some part of some "RATP Defence League" nor am I irritated by your comments - your perfectly entitled to comment and I fully believe you in regards to your view of the 125 service because you use it nor should you stop commenting on it. I didn't defend RATP and actually qualified in a follow up post that they need to improve across several routes. Where you & I clearly disagree is your "cowboy" term which I think is going beyond the justified criticism they deserve because I've seen and heard stories about actual cowboy operators and judging by that metric alone, RATP aren't near that even with the current poor operation. I also disagree with you in that we don't know whether they would operate the Uxbridge Road corridors worse or better unless they actually operate them - beyond that, you have my sympathy. |
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Post by cardinal on Nov 25, 2024 17:32:24 GMT
I think the last thing everybody wants is to continue listening to your dribble and waffle Waffling? I think the waffler here is the company talks of improvements, but is yet to produced any to this day. Words don't mean anything until action is conducted. Unless the only success of they will define is an 'Arriva level' of success by abounding sections, caring little about users for the sake of performance targets. As I said before, I won't shut up until my services are up to standard. Quite frankly, the only ones who seem irritated by my comments are those who seem to form some "RATP Defence League" regardless as many times members post feedback on their routes. What’s so offensive to you about anyone posting a contextual arguement? |
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Post by DW221 on Nov 25, 2024 17:36:51 GMT
Overall these “cowboy operator” comments tend to make me laugh because yes while we are all allowed to have preferences for different operators, if an operator was truly “cowboy” enough then surely they wouldn’t be operating in London? I just find it a bit silly to be honest. I dont buy any of the sort at all
Like I said we all have preferences. In fact I’m not a massive fan of GAL / TUK nowdays for example but I can recognise they operate lots of routes well and can provide quality service for millions per year.
I’m defintely no RATP fan ethier but in general I think praticular operators get bashed all the time like its a game, the 2 prime examples being RATP & Arriva which just becomes silly sometimes especially as it just can feel like whatever RATP or Arriva do is bad but when other operators do the same thing theres almost silence… I also remember the countless comments of the past and they probably still happen of RATP selling off.. yeah right.. Considering they still won a big route this year and retained their 3 year contracted routes on better terms we can all agree they arent going anywhere regardless of if we like them or not…
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 25, 2024 17:36:54 GMT
However, in this situation, that is absolutely not the case. RATP operate the overwhelming majority of their services very poorly - I have never used the 125 before, but I am a regular user of many RATP routes and can attest that the experiences the OP describes on the 125 are alarmingly similar to my experiences on other RATP routes. I think you've missed the overall point I was making - even if 75% of RATP services are poorly run which I'm not doubting given you say your a regular user, that doesn't necessarily transpire into them running the aforementioned routes on the Uxbridge Road corridor unless you have a crystal ball. That's the only point I'm making here - until they operate a certain route or corridor, we really don't know. To be clear, I'm not really bothered who runs what most of the time before someone says I'm a RATP fan boy or something of the like. RATP most certainly have to improve across several routes at the very least, if not more. That's a good point, although in all honesty given RATP struggle to run the simplest of routes, they haven't got the slightest chance of being able to provide a decent service along such a notoriously busy corridor. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 25, 2024 17:46:39 GMT
Overall these “cowboy operator” comments tend to make me laugh because yes while we are all allowed to have preferences for different operators, if an operator was truly “cowboy” enough then surely they wouldn’t be operating in London? I just find it a bit silly to be honest. I dont buy any of the sort at all Like I said we all have preferences. In fact I’m not a massive fan of GAL / TUK nowdays for example but I can recognise they operate lots of routes well and can provide quality service for millions per year. I’m defintely no RATP fan ethier but in general I think praticular operators get bashed all the time like its a game, the 2 prime examples being RATP & Arriva which just becomes silly sometimes especially as it just can feel like whatever RATP or Arriva do is bad but when other operators do the same thing theres almost silence… I also remember the countless comments of the past and they probably still happen of RATP selling off.. yeah right.. Considering they still won a big route this year and retained their 3 year contracted routes on better terms we can all agree they arent going anywhere regardless of if we like them or not… On a different note, it was rather funny hearing people say that TT was here to stay when they were successful in winning the 135 and 678 who then sold up within the next month. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 25, 2024 17:47:29 GMT
I think you've missed the overall point I was making - even if 75% of RATP services are poorly run which I'm not doubting given you say your a regular user, that doesn't necessarily transpire into them running the aforementioned routes on the Uxbridge Road corridor unless you have a crystal ball. That's the only point I'm making here - until they operate a certain route or corridor, we really don't know. To be clear, I'm not really bothered who runs what most of the time before someone says I'm a RATP fan boy or something of the like. RATP most certainly have to improve across several routes at the very least, if not more. That's a good point, although in all honesty given RATP struggle to run the simplest of routes, they haven't got the slightest chance of providing a decent service along such a notoriously busy corridor. Do they struggle? They are much higher than many operators on the league tables. Anecdotally, I've found their services to be much improved too. Although I must say given they have had to make quite drastic changes to ensure financial stability I'm somewhat surprised - and impressed - they've managed to keep every garage open thus far, given there are less routes to cover the overheads than there were a couple of years ago, unless the revised tender prices or reduced overheads are now so much better that this isn't such an issue. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 25, 2024 17:50:33 GMT
In relation to these "cowboy operator" comments, maybe that is not the right way to describe RATP, but would this not be a perfect description of Sullivan Buses.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 25, 2024 17:51:33 GMT
Overall these “cowboy operator” comments tend to make me laugh because yes while we are all allowed to have preferences for different operators, if an operator was truly “cowboy” enough then surely they wouldn’t be operating in London? I just find it a bit silly to be honest. I dont buy any of the sort at all Like I said we all have preferences. In fact I’m not a massive fan of GAL / TUK nowdays for example but I can recognise they operate lots of routes well and can provide quality service for millions per year. I’m defintely no RATP fan ethier but in general I think praticular operators get bashed all the time like its a game, the 2 prime examples being RATP & Arriva which just becomes silly sometimes especially as it just can feel like whatever RATP or Arriva do is bad but when other operators do the same thing theres almost silence… I also remember the countless comments of the past and they probably still happen of RATP selling off.. yeah right.. Considering they still won a big route this year and retained their 3 year contracted routes on better terms we can all agree they arent going anywhere regardless of if we like them or not… Isn't this what people said about TT winning the 135 just for them to sell up within a week when they took it over? |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 25, 2024 17:56:44 GMT
In relation to these "cowboy operator" comments, maybe that is not the right way to describe RATP, but would this not be a perfect description of Sullivan Buses. I don't think that is a particularly unreasonable view to hold.... |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 25, 2024 17:58:17 GMT
Overall these “cowboy operator” comments tend to make me laugh because yes while we are all allowed to have preferences for different operators, if an operator was truly “cowboy” enough then surely they wouldn’t be operating in London? I just find it a bit silly to be honest. I dont buy any of the sort at all Like I said we all have preferences. In fact I’m not a massive fan of GAL / TUK nowdays for example but I can recognise they operate lots of routes well and can provide quality service for millions per year. I’m defintely no RATP fan ethier but in general I think praticular operators get bashed all the time like its a game, the 2 prime examples being RATP & Arriva which just becomes silly sometimes especially as it just can feel like whatever RATP or Arriva do is bad but when other operators do the same thing theres almost silence… I also remember the countless comments of the past and they probably still happen of RATP selling off.. yeah right.. Considering they still won a big route this year and retained their 3 year contracted routes on better terms we can all agree they arent going anywhere regardless of if we like them or not… Isn't this what people said about TT winning the 135 just for them to sell up within a week when they took it over? There's quite a difference in this instance vs an operator with a single garage, 150-odd buses and one with multiples garages and a thousand off buses. I don't want to start rumours but it'll be interesting to see whether RATP could continue to exist as a standalone operator in it's current set-up, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility but nor is further consolidation. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2024 18:07:53 GMT
In relation to these "cowboy operator" comments, maybe that is not the right way to describe RATP, but would this not be a perfect description of Sullivan Buses. And TUK....... well according to one of their own staff. It's just a phrase that has no definitive meaning. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2024 18:14:26 GMT
In relation to these "cowboy operator" comments, maybe that is not the right way to describe RATP, but would this not be a perfect description of Sullivan Buses. And TUK....... well according to one of their own staff. It's just a phrase that has no definitive meaning. It will be interesting to see what happens to TUK if the current government choose to renationalise rail lines. Although most aren’t highly profitable it must still make a key and significant part of their profit/loss sheet. |
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