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Post by snowman on Mar 30, 2011 5:45:14 GMT
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Post by snowman on Mar 30, 2011 11:49:18 GMT
6 hours on from my first post and still can't find a full breakdown of the orders, Route one mag breaks down th 460 Wrightbus are building as 293 for London, 167 for other First companies www.route-one.net/e-books/currentIssue/index.html#/8/As First London tends to order only double decks from Wrightbus (its single decks being usually enviro200s) I suspect there are 293 gemini double deckers. Can't quite work out where these are all going. About 65 for route 25, none for 26 and 30 (which I thought are getting enviro400s), another approx 115 for routes 23, 92, 207, 295 so there is about 113 more to allocate. I think some of Alpertons routes are waiting tender results, but even if these are included there has to be more |
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Post by Volvo on Mar 30, 2011 16:22:15 GMT
26 and 30 are getting Enviro 400s, how do you know the 23, 92, 207 and 295 are getting Gemini 2 B9TLs.
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Post by snowman on Mar 30, 2011 18:42:49 GMT
26 and 30 are getting Enviro 400s, how do you know the 23, 92, 207 and 295 are getting Gemini 2 B9TLs. I don't know, but if 293 Wrightbus buses are for London, and these routes are supposed to be getting new buses within next 12 months, and if the 25 gets about 65 buses, these routes would be an obvious choice for about half the remainder of the order. |
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Post by jamaal on Mar 30, 2011 19:20:19 GMT
26 and 30 are getting Enviro 400s, how do you know the 23, 92, 207 and 295 are getting Gemini 2 B9TLs. The 207 has been confirmed as B9TLs and the 23,92 and 295 have been included in this delivery. |
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Post by Volvo on Mar 30, 2011 21:42:56 GMT
Where the info came from is what I asked not that I didn't believe him.
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Post by snowman on Mar 31, 2011 5:38:41 GMT
I have read on another site (so usual caution as this might be rubbish) that the 200 buses for the Olympics will be non-London spec ones.
Thinking about it, TfL spec is a pain, don't really need centre door when doing specific journeys with no intermediate stops as everyone gets on at same place and gets off at another. It would also be a lot cheaper to program electronic blinds than have sets of powerblinds made up with every Olympic venue and hotel, then bin them after 4 weeks work. Would of course be easier to move them straight after Olympics to other cities to replace old buses, than find routes on the regulated London routes which might take months (maybe never if TfL changes is bus specs) to come up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 17:10:16 GMT
I have read on another site (so usual caution as this might be rubbish) that the 200 buses for the Olympics will be non-London spec ones. Thinking about it, TfL spec is a pain, don't really need centre door when doing specific journeys with no intermediate stops as everyone gets on at same place and gets off at another. It would also be a lot cheaper to program electronic blinds than have sets of powerblinds made up with every Olympic venue and hotel, then bin them after 4 weeks work. Would of course be easier to move them straight after Olympics to other cities to replace old buses, than find routes on the regulated London routes which might take months (maybe never if TfL changes is bus specs) to come up. That story is very unlikely to be correct. No company is going to commit to ordering 955 buses. Maybe they have expressed an interest in taking 955 buses over the next 6 to 7 years TfL's spec buses are not going to be of much interest to bus companies outside of London. Most have already renwed their fleets in any case and they dont change them every few years like London. They generally as well want single door single deckers. There will be some demand but not a lot and they would not pay over the odd for a London spec bus they dont need. |
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Post by londonbusboy on Apr 1, 2011 20:15:29 GMT
With the current situation the country is in would it be more value for money for TfL to ditch some of their specs?
Single doored buses would benefit london more in my opinion as you get more seats but then you have the problem of loading times but 8.8m buses dont really suffer, most passengers will get up before their stop to get off which i think saves time anyway.
Fare dodging could be avoided making TfL more money and buggy mums wont be able to use rear doors like they currently do. If the buggy is too wide then they'll have to fold it bringing joy to everyone
Plus London operators could sell or even transfer them easier without conversions etc.
Anyone else agree or disagree?
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Post by snowman on Apr 1, 2011 20:31:58 GMT
I have read on another site (so usual caution as this might be rubbish) that the 200 buses for the Olympics will be non-London spec ones. . That story is very unlikely to be correct. No company is going to commit to ordering 955 buses. Maybe they have expressed an interest in taking 955 buses over the next 6 to 7 years TfL's spec buses are not going to be of much interest to bus companies outside of London. Most have already renwed their fleets in any case and they dont change them every few years like London. They generally as well want single door single deckers. There will be some demand but not a lot and they would not pay over the odd for a London spec bus they dont need. I Think I didn't explain myself very well. This is not about moving buses from London. Part of the 955 new buses is 200 buses to be used for the Olympics, the suggestion was these would go into service elsewhere (not London) after the Olympics. Specifically the comment was regarding a batch (quantity unspecified but part of the 200) of new enviro500s that allegedly would be used on Olympic duties then enter service in Glasgow. I haven't seen any breakdown of the ADL part of the order, but if someone from Glasgow understands there is a batch of enviro500s that they are getting after the Olympics, I posed the question could all 200 to be built for the Olympics actually be allocated to other cities so London doesn't benefit from the buses used for Olympics. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 1, 2011 23:12:00 GMT
That story is very unlikely to be correct. No company is going to commit to ordering 955 buses. Maybe they have expressed an interest in taking 955 buses over the next 6 to 7 years TfL's spec buses are not going to be of much interest to bus companies outside of London. Most have already renwed their fleets in any case and they dont change them every few years like London. They generally as well want single door single deckers. There will be some demand but not a lot and they would not pay over the odd for a London spec bus they dont need. I Think I didn't explain myself very well. Part of the 955 new buses is 200 buses to be used for the Olympics, the suggestion was these would go into service elsewhere (not London) after the Olympics. Specifically the comment was regarding a batch of new enviro500s that allegedly would be used on Olympic duties then enter service in Glasgow. I think everyone else got it snowman, well I understood anyway ;D  |
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Post by Volvo on Apr 2, 2011 1:56:21 GMT
I am sorry I don't support the single door argument, it will just make journey times longer imo as when a bus is full us have to squeeze past everyone to get to the front of the bus to get off its its a double decker, its bad enough as it is now with dual doors.
Secondly waiting for someone to fold there pram is again longer than if they just entered through the back doors.
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Post by snowman on Apr 6, 2011 12:08:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 14:27:38 GMT
I Think I didn't explain myself very well. Part of the 955 new buses is 200 buses to be used for the Olympics, the suggestion was these would go into service elsewhere (not London) after the Olympics. Specifically the comment was regarding a batch of new enviro500s that allegedly would be used on Olympic duties then enter service in Glasgow. There is not the manufacturing capacity to cope with that amount of buses in those timescales. THe induistry is not going to set up manufacturing plants to cope with a one off order. The bus manufacturers are already struggling to keep up with orders because they are so up & down I think everyone else got it snowman, well I understood anyway ;D |
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Post by john on Apr 7, 2011 23:57:39 GMT
Well, I had an assessment centre day with First this week and asked one of this questions in relation to the Graduate Scheme I was being assessed for. I didn't get much info from the Head of Recruitment as it seems they have been told to keep tight lipped about the Olympic plans.
First are now looking at expansion and new vehicle orders, again from the horses mouth, but cannot go into too much detail as to anything else. Mainly because I don't wanna jeopardize any future job chances that I could have with them ;D
All I will say is treat any information about the Olympics with suspicion until confirmed by either the IOC, BOA, LGOC or First themselves.
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