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Post by wirewiper on Feb 16, 2022 15:03:02 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if these were some of the Abellio E400's on the Ensign website. Would be illogical if there are Enviros already on the 84 as they can just transfer over. It is unlikely they can "just transfer over". It would not be an internal transfer within the same company, the Enviros currently operating on the 84 are owned by Metroline. Even if Metroline doesn't have another use for them, Sullivan would have to be able to arrange to buy them and collect them, or have them delivered. I am sure Sullivan Buses would prefer to make their own arrangements and source their own vehicles (it's not as if there aren't plenty available), so they can prepare them ahead of time before taking the service over.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 16, 2022 15:14:00 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if these were some of the Abellio E400's on the Ensign website. Would be illogical if there are Enviros already on the 84 as they can just transfer over. Is it logical to assume both Metroline and Sullivan's want this. Vehicles generally do not swap operators when County Council contracts changes, just as in London, other than TfL LTs, it does not happen
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Post by cl54 on Feb 16, 2022 21:42:29 GMT
Would be illogical if there are Enviros already on the 84 as they can just transfer over. Is it logical to assume both Metroline and Sullivan's want this. Vehicles generally do not swap operators when County Council contracts changes, just as in London, other than TfL LTs, it does not happen Dean Sullivan has stated on Facebook that double deckers will be used on the new 84 because of school pupil numbers.
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Post by csmspotting on Feb 16, 2022 21:47:40 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 16, 2022 22:06:23 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do. Some have been off road for a while thou. I think Sullivan will probably purchase some stuff for the 84.
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Post by WH241 on Feb 16, 2022 22:10:18 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do. Some have been off road for a while thou. I think Sullivan will probably purchase some stuff for the 84. I think they are planning to be pretty much use what’s available in the fleet with no fixed allocation as such. Guess it’s a case of seeing how viable the service is!
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Post by TB123 on Feb 16, 2022 22:15:56 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do. They don't have any surplus single deckers for the 298. They have 6 buses for a requirement of 5. And they have 12 E400MMCs for a requirement of 11. The rest of the fleet is heavily skewed towards school journeys which may give the impression of vehicles "lying around" but actually have a key purpose.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 16, 2022 22:22:17 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do. They don't have any surplus single deckers for the 298. They have 6 buses for a requirement of 5. And they have 12 E400MMCs for a requirement of 11. The rest of the fleet is heavily skewed towards school journeys which may give the impression of vehicles "lying around" but actually have a key purpose. I wonder whether with cuts taking place some of Sullivans school routes bear the brunt. For routes that don’t make money I wouldn’t be surprised if they are in some way reduced in regards to school journeys because the 653/683 & 628/688 have high school route PVRs.
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 16, 2022 22:41:32 GMT
They don't have any surplus single deckers for the 298. They have 6 buses for a requirement of 5. And they have 12 E400MMCs for a requirement of 11. The rest of the fleet is heavily skewed towards school journeys which may give the impression of vehicles "lying around" but actually have a key purpose. I wonder whether with cuts taking place some of Sullivans school routes bear the brunt. For routes that don’t make money I wouldn’t be surprised if they are in some way reduced in regards to school journeys because the 653/683 & 628/688 have high school route PVRs. There is some shifting around happening on the school routes once schools start after half term although I'm not sure exactly how much money is going to be saved. The Edgware-Mill Hill journey on the 605 is being axed and the 688 is being cut from 6 morning journeys to 4, among other changes.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 16, 2022 22:56:31 GMT
I wonder whether with cuts taking place some of Sullivans school routes bear the brunt. For routes that don’t make money I wouldn’t be surprised if they are in some way reduced in regards to school journeys because the 653/683 & 628/688 have high school route PVRs. There is some shifting around happening on the school routes once schools start after half term although I'm not sure exactly how much money is going to be saved. The Edgware-Mill Hill journey on the 605 is being axed and the 688 is being cut from 6 morning journeys to 4, among other changes. I imagine the bus cut from the 605 journey will probably become a commercial bus & replace something. Are there any changes to the 628/688 in the afternoon? If there is then yes it would be a saving. You could definitely remove a 653 journey in the afternoon as they always seem to bunch anyway because of how they are timed.
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 16, 2022 23:00:11 GMT
There is some shifting around happening on the school routes once schools start after half term although I'm not sure exactly how much money is going to be saved. The Edgware-Mill Hill journey on the 605 is being axed and the 688 is being cut from 6 morning journeys to 4, among other changes. I imagine the bus cut from the 605 journey will probably become a commercial bus & replace something. Are there any changes to the 628/688 in the afternoon? If there is then yes it would be a saving. You could definitely remove a 653 journey in the afternoon as they always seem to bunch anyway because of how they are timed. One 628 journey will pass to the 688. But then you have the 683 which is being increased from 2 morning journeys to 3 morning journeys and 2 afternoon journeys to 4 afternoon journeys. Which is why I was unsure it was about saving money.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2022 23:18:27 GMT
Sullivan do still have quite a few E400s lying around, only a handful are ever on a particular bus route. With a surplus of single deckers for the 298 and lots of E400MMCs for the 217, it should be possible to do. They don't have any surplus single deckers for the 298. They have 6 buses for a requirement of 5. And they have 12 E400MMCs for a requirement of 11. The rest of the fleet is heavily skewed towards school journeys which may give the impression of vehicles "lying around" but actually have a key purpose. Didn’t the requirement go up by 1 to 6 recently for the new contract?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2022 23:19:53 GMT
I imagine the bus cut from the 605 journey will probably become a commercial bus & replace something. Are there any changes to the 628/688 in the afternoon? If there is then yes it would be a saving. You could definitely remove a 653 journey in the afternoon as they always seem to bunch anyway because of how they are timed. One 628 journey will pass to the 688. But then you have the 683 which is being increased from 2 morning journeys to 3 morning journeys and 2 afternoon journeys to 4 afternoon journeys. Which is why I was unsure it was about saving money. How much is actually saved by axing a school route especially those with just one bus doing one AM & PM journey?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 16, 2022 23:25:18 GMT
One 628 journey will pass to the 688. But then you have the 683 which is being increased from 2 morning journeys to 3 morning journeys and 2 afternoon journeys to 4 afternoon journeys. Which is why I was unsure it was about saving money. How much is actually saved by axing a school route especially those with just one bus doing one AM & PM journey? If it’s a service like the 672 then it would be minimal because of the length of the service being short however it would be a larger saving for something longer like the 626/688. I wouldn’t be surprised if school routes were reviewed and in some places perhaps looking at decking routes like the 143 & looking into removing the SDO journeys and if I put my investment cap on, some school routes would be quite good as regular day routes ie the 603 in one form, the 690 you’ve mentioned.
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Post by cl54 on Feb 16, 2022 23:50:16 GMT
From Dean Sullivan's Facebook post.
The timetable is every 30 mins during shopping hours (theres a few bigger gaps during the peaks due to the school movements associated with the route – which I want to close), 90mins evenings and hourly on a Sunday. Will be mostly double deck M-Fri due to the school movements. The intention is that we will operate Green buses on the route, but you know us – anything goes!
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