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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 3, 2022 6:43:24 GMT
First time I'm hearing of new buses for the 298
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Post by dragonman on Aug 3, 2022 7:01:28 GMT
First time I'm hearing of new buses for the 298 sorry I didn't realise that i was reading a post from 2012 when the existing single deckers also used on the route were brand new, my bad, sorry 😂
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 3, 2022 7:23:43 GMT
I'd say GAL or Metroline have better variety although i think Sullivan have the best variety in terms of seat moquette I personally disagree and would go as far to say that they are the laziest operator in terms of moquette. Every blue moon, they will bother to change the original moquette of a bus, and they also use the classic TfL moquette on those which they do bother to change, even in their commercial services this is true.
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 3, 2022 7:46:45 GMT
although i think Sullivan have the best variety in terms of seat moquette I personally disagree and would go as far to say that they are the laziest operator in terms of moquette. Every blue moon, they will bother to change the original moquette of a bus, and they also use the classic TfL moquette on those which they do bother to change, even in their commercial services this is true. If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 3, 2022 7:47:10 GMT
First time I'm hearing of new buses for the 298 sorry I didn't realise that i was reading a post from 2012 when the existing single deckers also used on the route were brand new, my bad, sorry 😂 Fair enough
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Post by WH241 on Aug 3, 2022 7:55:30 GMT
although i think Sullivan have the best variety in terms of seat moquette I personally disagree and would go as far to say that they are the laziest operator in terms of moquette. Every blue moon, they will bother to change the original moquette of a bus, and they also use the classic TfL moquette on those which they do bother to change, even in their commercial services this is true. Why would they go to the expense of changing a moquette if a bus is not due a refurbishment? They use the TfL style moquette on new buses or refurbished buses.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2022 8:10:55 GMT
although i think Sullivan have the best variety in terms of seat moquette I personally disagree and would go as far to say that they are the laziest operator in terms of moquette. Every blue moon, they will bother to change the original moquette of a bus, and they also use the classic TfL moquette on those which they do bother to change, even in their commercial services this is true. There's no reason to change the moquette just because a vehicle has transferred from TfL work to Hertfordshire commercial services, if the moquette is still in good condition. Maybe that's why Sullivan can operate the 84 commercially - they aren't wasting money.
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Post by dragonman on Aug 3, 2022 21:20:56 GMT
I personally disagree and would go as far to say that they are the laziest operator in terms of moquette. Every blue moon, they will bother to change the original moquette of a bus, and they also use the classic TfL moquette on those which they do bother to change, even in their commercial services this is true. There's no reason to change the moquette just because a vehicle has transferred from TfL work to Hertfordshire commercial services, if the moquette is still in good condition. Maybe that's why Sullivan can operate the 84 commercially - they aren't wasting money. i thought they had quite a few different types (of seat moquette); ex-metroline, ex-first, ex-TT, their own moquette of red & grey squares, ex- Abelllio, Dark blue, and that orangey moquette which those green buses have which operate the 84. Come on guys you're spoilt for choice here 😄 (that said i think the ex-metroline & dark blue ones are only used on school routes so wouldn't really count).
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 4, 2022 16:18:40 GMT
There's no reason to change the moquette just because a vehicle has transferred from TfL work to Hertfordshire commercial services, if the moquette is still in good condition. Maybe that's why Sullivan can operate the 84 commercially - they aren't wasting money. i thought they had quite a few different types (of seat moquette); ex-metroline, ex-first, ex-TT, their own moquette of red & grey squares, ex- Abelllio, Dark blue, and that orangey moquette which those green buses have which operate the 84. Come on guys you're spoilt for choice here 😄 (that said i think the ex-metroline & dark blue ones are only used on school routes so wouldn't really count). I think Sullivan have at some point purchased second-hand vehicles from every other London operator (other than Uno). In addition to what you've mentioned, they also have a number of ex-Stagecoach DSs (plus one with the Metrobus interior), ex-Go Ahead E200s on the 306, and some ex-Arriva VLWs. Plus previously had some ex-RATP VLEs and an ex-HCT Esteem. Would also argue that RATP have had a lot of variety in their interiors in recent years (though reducing since most are now refurbished with the current moquette). There's also the bubble moquette, and various Transdev moquettes, including the dealer stock interiors that had been on the 11reg DEs and 13reg VHs - plus the different interior variations in the ex-Quality Line fleet. RATP also now have the ex-Tower Transit fleet, including some with the First interior, as well as some ex-Arriva SDEs. They also previously had the ex-NCP DEs and ex-Go Ahead WSs, and loaned some Abellio E200s during covid. And when GR was open, in addition to the different versions of the Arriva interior, they also had a black/grey moquette on most DLAs, plus the uniquely refurbished VLA123, and the ex-Stagecoach ENLs.
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Post by astock5000 on Aug 4, 2022 16:33:01 GMT
And when GR was open, in addition to the different versions of the Arriva interior, they also had a black/grey moquette on most DLAs, plus the uniquely refurbished VLA123, and the ex-Stagecoach ENLs. The black / grey moquette was the same as that used in various batches of buses new to The Shires in the 1990s prior to the Arriva rebrand (it continued to be specified on buses delivered shortly after, such as the S-KNK batch of Volvo Olympians). By the time the 'DLAs' arrived at the end of 2002 the standard Arriva interior had been around for some time, the 340's buses only receiving the old Shires moquette when refurbished much later on. I wonder if this was simply to use up some remaining stock?
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Post by dragonman on Aug 4, 2022 20:33:11 GMT
i thought they had quite a few different types (of seat moquette); ex-metroline, ex-first, ex-TT, their own moquette of red & grey squares, ex- Abelllio, Dark blue, and that orangey moquette which those green buses have which operate the 84. Come on guys you're spoilt for choice here 😄 (that said i think the ex-metroline & dark blue ones are only used on school routes so wouldn't really count). I think Sullivan have at some point purchased second-hand vehicles from every other London operator (other than Uno). In addition to what you've mentioned, they also have a number of ex-Stagecoach DSs (plus one with the Metrobus interior), ex-Go Ahead E200s on the 306, and some ex-Arriva VLWs. Plus previously had some ex-RATP VLEs and an ex-HCT Esteem. Would also argue that RATP have had a lot of variety in their interiors in recent years (though reducing since most are now refurbished with the current moquette). There's also the bubble moquette, and various Transdev moquettes, including the dealer stock interiors that had been on the 11reg DEs and 13reg VHs - plus the different interior variations in the ex-Quality Line fleet. RATP also now have the ex-Tower Transit fleet, including some with the First interior, as well as some ex-Arriva SDEs. They also previously had the ex-NCP DEs and ex-Go Ahead WSs, and loaned some Abellio E200s during covid. And when GR was open, in addition to the different versions of the Arriva interior, they also had a black/grey moquette on most DLAs, plus the uniquely refurbished VLA123, and the ex-Stagecoach ENLs. oh yes I'd completely agree with you about the RATP moquettes and was thinking about that myself,but as you say they don't have as much variety as they used to, sadly, although their variety is still pretty good. Don't also forget the LT moquette on their LT buses (of which there are now 2 types now they are starting to get refurbished). I don't think any of their ex-TT buses (which were also ex-First) have the old first moquette though, as none of the X fleet do and those ADEs which transferred over from TT last year (the Ex-DNs) have all now been refurbished so they all sport the boring blue RATP moquette.
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Post by snowman on Aug 18, 2022 20:21:36 GMT
According to latest LOTs TLB, the routes In unannounced tranche 808 routes 605, 628, 653, 683, 688 have all been extended until December
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 18, 2022 20:37:17 GMT
According to latest LOTs TLB, the routes In unannounced tranche 808 routes 605, 628, 653, 683, 688 have all been extended until December This situation is unfortunate as the increased contract costs such as fuel will be an inconvenience (although pleased to hear Sullivan are financially healthy). I believe we are in a situation where Sullivan are potentially the only bidder (as these routes require a fair amount of resources for school routes, operators wanting to use existing buses for competitive regular route bids) and have had difficulty acquiring compliant buses from dealer stock. But it could be something completely different and I’m wildly off the mark.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 18, 2022 21:27:47 GMT
According to latest LOTs TLB, the routes In unannounced tranche 808 routes 605, 628, 653, 683, 688 have all been extended until December I did think this was the case and think I posted here suggesting this had probably happened when people were wondering about the late tender results.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 18, 2022 22:30:44 GMT
According to latest LOTs TLB, the routes In unannounced tranche 808 routes 605, 628, 653, 683, 688 have all been extended until December This situation is unfortunate as the increased contract costs such as fuel will be an inconvenience (although pleased to hear Sullivan are financially healthy). I believe we are in a situation where Sullivan are potentially the only bidder (as these routes require a fair amount of resources for school routes, operators wanting to use existing buses for competitive regular route bids) and have had difficulty acquiring compliant buses from dealer stock. But it could be something completely different and I’m wildly off the mark. Off topic but do contracts have any clauses related to fuel prices? Say if price moves beyond a certain range (can be in either direction) then some linkage built in based on some specified formulae?
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