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Post by snoggle on Dec 23, 2012 22:49:58 GMT
Personally I think a few minor frequency reductions and a few route alterations/diversions could significantly reduce the amount of buses on Oxford St: 7- withdraw between Oxford Circus and Russell Sq, diverting the 98 to Russell Sq in replacement. The OC-Holborn route is already well served so would be no great loss. 10- divert between Oxford Circus and Euston via Great Portland St and Marylebone Rd. This would open up new links, but still maintain capacity on the Hyde Park Cnr-Kings X trunk 13- withdraw between Aldwych and Trafalgar Sq which would free up about 2 buses which spend most of the day stuck on the Strand. Also divert it via Wigmore St instead of Oxford St. 15- extend it up to Portland Place doing the loop taken by the 88/453 to terminate/turn round 73- divert it at Marble Arch to Notting Hill Gate and divert the 390 to Victoria in its place. On the MA-NHG section the 390 is quick and lightly used, so the 73's PVR could be reduced overall whilst maintaining frequency on the rest of the route. The 390 wouldn't need a massive increase, so the overall amount of buses on Oxford St could be reduced 159- cut it back to Marble Arch. I'm not convined the 23 and 7 can't cope with the amount of passengers that go to Paddington, and by cutting the 159 back you could reduce the PVR 189- divert it from Baker St via Marylebone Rd and Great Portland St to Regent St using the 15's vacated stand. One comment - have you ever travelled on the 73 in the peak? Buses are routinely full by and after Newington Green on inward trips. The 476 tries to mop up the excess but fails. People on Essex Road routinely cannot board buses. It was like this in Routemaster and bendy days and hasn't changed now. It would be mad to reduce its frequency. This is why it is so wrong of the shop owners to just look at their piddling stretch of road and propose to wreak havoc on bus routes that serve vast swathes of London. Why should people in Stoke Newington or Clapham or Brixton or Kilburn have their bus services cut to satisfy the rapacious greed of private businesss? This is what it boils down to - who is in control? Shareholders, voters or politicians?
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 23, 2012 23:14:28 GMT
Personally I think a few minor frequency reductions and a few route alterations/diversions could significantly reduce the amount of buses on Oxford St: 7- withdraw between Oxford Circus and Russell Sq, diverting the 98 to Russell Sq in replacement. The OC-Holborn route is already well served so would be no great loss. 10- divert between Oxford Circus and Euston via Great Portland St and Marylebone Rd. This would open up new links, but still maintain capacity on the Hyde Park Cnr-Kings X trunk 13- withdraw between Aldwych and Trafalgar Sq which would free up about 2 buses which spend most of the day stuck on the Strand. Also divert it via Wigmore St instead of Oxford St. 15- extend it up to Portland Place doing the loop taken by the 88/453 to terminate/turn round 73- divert it at Marble Arch to Notting Hill Gate and divert the 390 to Victoria in its place. On the MA-NHG section the 390 is quick and lightly used, so the 73's PVR could be reduced overall whilst maintaining frequency on the rest of the route. The 390 wouldn't need a massive increase, so the overall amount of buses on Oxford St could be reduced 159- cut it back to Marble Arch. I'm not convined the 23 and 7 can't cope with the amount of passengers that go to Paddington, and by cutting the 159 back you could reduce the PVR 189- divert it from Baker St via Marylebone Rd and Great Portland St to Regent St using the 15's vacated stand. One comment - have you ever travelled on the 73 in the peak? Buses are routinely full by and after Newington Green on inward trips. The 476 tries to mop up the excess but fails. People on Essex Road routinely cannot board buses. It was like this in Routemaster and bendy days and hasn't changed now. It would be mad to reduce its frequency. This is why it is so wrong of the shop owners to just look at their piddling stretch of road and propose to wreak havoc on bus routes that serve vast swathes of London. Why should people in Stoke Newington or Clapham or Brixton or Kilburn have their bus services cut to satisfy the rapacious greed of private businesss? This is what it boils down to - who is in control? Shareholders, voters or politicians? Our act first, think later government may be swayed by shareholders, or the voice of big business. Its true about the 73, it can't be cut or reduced. Both the 73 and 476 stay packed from Newington Green until Kings X. There is no viable alternative aside switching to the 30 at Angel. Any reduction would be madness.
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Post by mre81 on Dec 24, 2012 11:36:48 GMT
Personally I think a few minor frequency reductions and a few route alterations/diversions could significantly reduce the amount of buses on Oxford St: 7- withdraw between Oxford Circus and Russell Sq, diverting the 98 to Russell Sq in replacement. The OC-Holborn route is already well served so would be no great loss. 10- divert between Oxford Circus and Euston via Great Portland St and Marylebone Rd. This would open up new links, but still maintain capacity on the Hyde Park Cnr-Kings X trunk 13- withdraw between Aldwych and Trafalgar Sq which would free up about 2 buses which spend most of the day stuck on the Strand. Also divert it via Wigmore St instead of Oxford St. 15- extend it up to Portland Place doing the loop taken by the 88/453 to terminate/turn round 73- divert it at Marble Arch to Notting Hill Gate and divert the 390 to Victoria in its place. On the MA-NHG section the 390 is quick and lightly used, so the 73's PVR could be reduced overall whilst maintaining frequency on the rest of the route. The 390 wouldn't need a massive increase, so the overall amount of buses on Oxford St could be reduced 159- cut it back to Marble Arch. I'm not convined the 23 and 7 can't cope with the amount of passengers that go to Paddington, and by cutting the 159 back you could reduce the PVR 189- divert it from Baker St via Marylebone Rd and Great Portland St to Regent St using the 15's vacated stand. One comment - have you ever travelled on the 73 in the peak? Buses are routinely full by and after Newington Green on inward trips. The 476 tries to mop up the excess but fails. People on Essex Road routinely cannot board buses. It was like this in Routemaster and bendy days and hasn't changed now. It would be mad to reduce its frequency. This is why it is so wrong of the shop owners to just look at their piddling stretch of road and propose to wreak havoc on bus routes that serve vast swathes of London. Why should people in Stoke Newington or Clapham or Brixton or Kilburn have their bus services cut to satisfy the rapacious greed of private businesss? This is what it boils down to - who is in control? Shareholders, voters or politicians? The issue with the 73 is that is serves two distinct and separate purposes at two ends of the route. Namely to transport commuters/shoppers from Victoria to Oxford St and to transport local residents from Stoke Newington/Islington into town. The idea to split it would be to make it quicker and more reliable at one end to benefit the other. Personally I'm of the opinion it should never have been withdrawn from Seven Sisters, as in Central London there is a larger variety of journey opportunities between Victoria and OC than between N.E and Central London. Maybe a better idea would be to cut it at OC and reintroduce the old 500 Red Arrow route- but that wouldn't do anything to reduce congestion in Oxford Street! I don't think " people in Stoke Newington or Clapham or Brixton or Kilburn have their bus services cut to satisfy the rapacious greed of private businesss", but it doesn't do any good for anyone to have dozens of buses constantly tied up in Oxford Street.
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Post by rambo on Dec 27, 2012 23:01:32 GMT
1 bus route only between marble arch and centrepoint.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 28, 2012 4:39:40 GMT
The only way I can see it is if you cut it down to 8 bus routes along Oxford Street - one for each direction, i.e. N, S, E, W, NE, NW, SE, SW (providing each direction can be provided for). This removes 5 routes from the 13 that currently use it.
N - seems to be the 139 & 189 as the choices S - I'd keep the 159 as it is, be stupid to break a new link for starters E - seems everything goes as far as Holborn from Oxford Street W - I'd keep the 23 going out that way NE - 73 looks like the only choice NW - 6 or 98 as choices
I struggled to find anything for SE or SW so it could be cut to 6 routes.
Could diverting the other routes along the roads behind Oxford Street be a possiblity?
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