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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 23, 2012 14:33:01 GMT
Buses with opening Assault Screens or without Assault Screens all together. - Though I saw an open one yesterday! To my limited knowledge, its only certain vehicles from Abellio's WS garage that still retain this feature. It was their MPD's on the H28 that were the last vehicles I saw on TfL services to run without an Assault Screen when under T*GM, Travel London control. Non standard liveries have also disappeared, such as the yellow/blue (A10) Heathrow Fast and the 2 tone green (H50) Trainlink liveries Some of the ex BC 51 reg Tridents I drove on the 381 had retractable assault screens. To be honest, I quite liked driving with them up as the 381 is a pleasant enough route.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 23, 2012 14:42:12 GMT
Bench Seats they are long gone. (Unless that is what binpod was stating) The days of lovely high-backed seats of the early Metroline early TA's (both decks) and LG's Palatine II/Arriva's DLA1-DLA41 (bottom deck) are long gone... Routes 415/417/432 DLA's (except DLA179/180) all have bench seats upstairs. Unfortunately, the bench seat's padding seems to have disappeared, last time I sat on one 417 DLA, it almost shattered my spine! Also, I've noticed some 'tubby' people see the bench seats as a single seat! ;D Believe those high backed seats are still to be found on the lower deck of all V-Y reg DLAs, some of the V3xx DGT examples have these throughout the lower deck. Some of the new gen Citaros also have high backed seats.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 23, 2012 14:53:57 GMT
The days of lovely high-backed seats of the early Metroline early TA's (both decks) and LG's Palatine II/Arriva's DLA1-DLA41 (bottom deck) are long gone... Routes 415/417/432 DLA's (except DLA179/180) all have bench seats upstairs. Unfortunately, the bench seat's padding seems to have disappeared, last time I sat on one 417 DLA, it almost shattered my spine! Also, I've noticed some 'tubby' people see the bench seats as a single seat! ;D Believe those high backed seats are still to be found on the lower deck of all V-Y reg DLAs, some of the V3xx DGT examples have these throughout the lower deck. Some of the new gen Citaros also have high backed seats. Some of your V reg Connex Tridents had high backed seats downstairs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 15:36:08 GMT
Talking about uncomfortable seats, the new Enviro200s for the 397 and W11 at LV have decent seats. When new buses were ordered for these routes, I was worried they would get the same crappy seats as the ones on the longer 313 and 491 vehicles.
I'm not sure why flipdot displays have gone out of favour in this country. I personally think they are better than digital displays. They have the advantage of being able to have loads of destinations like the digital displays, and I think they can be clearer than some digital displays (and easier to photograph!). They still are common in Europe, even on brand new vehicles it seems.
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Post by VPL630 on Dec 23, 2012 19:53:11 GMT
There are quite a few things that used to be common place on standard TfL service buses in the (excluding the RMs on the heritage routes) that have either disappeared or certainly heading towards extinction since around the 2005 mark. Any other ideas or discussion as to why these features have disappeared and whether it was beneficial/necessary welcome! - Step entrance and articulated vehicles are the obvious ones.
- 3 track number blinds - gone completely? Recall ADL 61, 63 and 64 found their way onto the 410s when I was at college in Crystal Palace/South Norwood in 2009 - were these the last buses to feature 3 track blinds?
- Spiral staircases - believe TA1 was the only normal service bus with this feature for quite some time. However, they look set to return with a vengence with the Borismasters.
- Bench seats - TA1 and a few V/W reg DLAs retain theirs, are there any other buses that do however? Again, set to return with the NB4L.
- Single deckers 9.0m or longer without centre exit doors. The X26's Citaros are an understandable exception to the rule but otherwise, these are getting hard to come by. Plumstead have a few 9.3m Darts and Dartford have a few such Cadets on some of the B1x routes - any others?
- Centre staircases! A few W reg PVLs remain, as well as London United's VAs and VPs. Any others?
- 3 line via points on blinds.
- Bus Stopping displays - still a lot of buses running around with them but many disappeared when the iBus displays were mooted.
The 3 track blinds that were on Arriva's ADLs were replaced around 2010 ish. Even when ADL61/3/4 returned to EC they had their track blinds already replaced. The 2 spares for the U9 when Arriva had the route were 3 Track
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Post by VPL630 on Dec 23, 2012 19:54:31 GMT
Buses with opening Assault Screens or without Assault Screens all together. - Though I saw an open one yesterday! To my limited knowledge, its only certain vehicles from Abellio's WS garage that still retain this feature. It was their MPD's on the H28 that were the last vehicles I saw on TfL services to run without an Assault Screen when under T*GM, Travel London control. Non standard liveries have also disappeared, such as the yellow/blue (A10) Heathrow Fast and the 2 tone green (H50) Trainlink liveries Some of the ex BC 51 reg Tridents I drove on the 381 had retractable assault screens. To be honest, I quite liked driving with them up as the 381 is a pleasant enough route. It was Metrobus spec to have them fitted like that on there buses but I think that has changed now
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Post by cc2005 on Dec 23, 2012 20:45:58 GMT
Route branding is also gone (route 11 WVLs, route 74 NV branding, route 360 LDPs, route 52 AV branding, and all the routemaster brandings!)) Miss the longitudinal seating
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Post by ajw on Dec 23, 2012 20:55:52 GMT
Talking about uncomfortable seats, the new Enviro200s for the 397 and W11 at LV have decent seats. When new buses were ordered for these routes, I was worried they would get the same crappy seats as the ones on the longer 313 and 491 vehicles. I'm not sure why flipdot displays have gone out of favour in this country. I personally think they are better than digital displays. They have the advantage of being able to have loads of destinations like the digital displays, and I think they can be clearer than some digital displays (and easier to photograph!). They still are common in Europe, even on brand new vehicles it seems. Umm flipdot are digital, sure your not talking about LED or even 7 segment displays?. The better electronic displays are the combo's where they have flipdot for day with a small LED in each dot to enhance in bad light. Coloured LED screens are also very good, as used in Paris. The only time I don't like LED signs is when they scroll across a line. I reckon if you are going to have multiple via points rather then each point should be a screen change rather than scroll.
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Post by Steve80 on Dec 24, 2012 2:16:54 GMT
Buses with opening Assault Screens or without Assault Screens all together. - Though I saw an open one yesterday! To my limited knowledge, its only certain vehicles from Abellio's WS garage that still retain this feature. It was their MPD's on the H28 that were the last vehicles I saw on TfL services to run without an Assault Screen when under T*GM, Travel London control. Non standard liveries have also disappeared, such as the yellow/blue (A10) Heathrow Fast and the 2 tone green (H50) Trainlink liveries Some of the ex BC 51 reg Tridents I drove on the 381 had retractable assault screens. To be honest, I quite liked driving with them up as the 381 is a pleasant enough route. Some of the drivers at BC used to drive with them open including myself, when they were used on the 3 and 157. From what I can remember there was a notice stating this practice to cease immediately! Unbelievably I used to leave it open because it felt I could interact with the passengers better. A good thing but right now I wouldn't think twice about leaving the assault screen open
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 2:58:19 GMT
Route branding is also gone (route 11 WVLs, route 74 NV branding, route 360 LDPs, route 52 AV branding, and all the routemaster brandings!)) Miss the longitudinal seating That is something I like about on buses. Route 11, Route 38, etc. It did seem odd when we saw a branded Route 11 bus on the 88 at time to time.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 24, 2012 6:56:09 GMT
Route branding is also gone (route 11 WVLs, route 74 NV branding, route 360 LDPs, route 52 AV branding... You forgot the Duck Bus on the 283
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Post by VPL630 on Dec 24, 2012 11:33:36 GMT
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Post by snowman on Dec 24, 2012 12:51:14 GMT
Route branding is also gone (route 11 WVLs, route 74 NV branding, route 360 LDPs, route 52 AV branding... You forgot the Duck Bus on the 283 and the Optares on 371 until 2002 which had different slogans relating to places along the route, from memory there was about 14 of them and some were quite funny. At the time the route used a mixed fleet of Optare Excels and the Vectas (another disappeared thing is part low floor, part high floor on same route). I think the school days double deck working continued with a non-low floor VA until about 2006
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Post by LX09FBJ on Dec 24, 2012 13:28:44 GMT
Via Points (give it five or six years, and they'll be gone) Tip up seats: Virtually extinct now, Only some unrefurbished DPSs and DPKs have them. Almost all Darts have two longituntial seats
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 24, 2012 19:25:32 GMT
The thing with 'via points' is that the bus your boarding may have already past it, or may be curtailing before it. So it can be misleading.
In replacement they should have the route displayed inside the bus like the tube, I prefer that than having cartoons telling me what I should and should not do.
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