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Post by COBO on Apr 25, 2013 16:00:23 GMT
A 430 to Kingston should IMHO have a different routing than the 85, say via Sheen and Ham via 371, but then via the 65 direct route, instead of the side roads served by the 371 (which will stay as-is). It will also give the 337 some relief. I'd suggest diverting the (resultant shorter route) 85 via the longer routing of Richmond/Sheen/Ham, and make the 430 the direct route. The resultant running time, created by essentially sticking the 371's max running time to the max Putney - Richmond running time of the 337 would be 83 minutes. Trouble either situation, 85 or 430 extended is that you've basically rendered the 371 pretty much obsolete as it's just running a parallel to the resultant route. If the 85 was to be diverted via Richmond/Sheen/Ham it would restore a direct night service between Putney and Richmond. And plus the 85 would be acting as relief to the 65. |
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Post by COBO on Apr 25, 2013 18:21:07 GMT
If the 85 was to be diverted via Richmond/Sheen/Ham it would restore a direct night service between Putney and Richmond. And plus the 85 would be acting as relief to the 65. Yes though it would break the link between Roehampton and Kingston at night. What about converting the 430 into a 24 hour route? |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 25, 2013 19:12:10 GMT
I'd suggest diverting the (resultant shorter route) 85 via the longer routing of Richmond/Sheen/Ham, and make the 430 the direct route. The resultant running time, created by essentially sticking the 371's max running time to the max Putney - Richmond running time of the 337 would be 83 minutes. Trouble either situation, 85 or 430 extended is that you've basically rendered the 371 pretty much obsolete as it's just running a parallel to the resultant route. If the 85 was to be diverted via Richmond/Sheen/Ham it would restore a direct night service between Putney and Richmond. And plus the 85 would be acting as relief to the 65. Wouldn't it be easier to create a N337 running from Clapham Junction to Kingston via the 337 & 65? |
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Post by COBO on Apr 25, 2013 19:23:12 GMT
If the 85 was to be diverted via Richmond/Sheen/Ham it would restore a direct night service between Putney and Richmond. And plus the 85 would be acting as relief to the 65. Wouldn't it be easier to create a N337 running from Clapham Junction to Kingston via the 337 & 65? That's not a bad idea. |
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Post by moz on Apr 25, 2013 23:04:40 GMT
The 315 seems to be one of those "small-bus" routes that does the work of a major trunk route - the P13 in the same area has a similar problem. Rather than supporting trunk routes as such routes are generally supposed to do, they end up providing key links and thus get a bit flooded. An allocation of longer buses would probably be a start - the 10.2m LDP (204) at SW often floats out on the route so that should not be a problem... The 170's DP's & SE's have also done the route on a number of occasions as well. Personally, the 315 should be extended to Crystal Palace via Robson Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Tritton Road, Vale Street, St. Gothards Road, Gypsy Road, Gypsy Circus, Dulwich Wood Park, Kingswood Drive, College Road, Fountain Drive & Crystal Palace Park Parade, terminating at Crystal Palace Bus Station. This replaces the 322 between Robson Road & Gypsy Road allowing it to be diverted via Norwood High Street (southbound), Ernest Avenue & Knights Hill (northbound), Gypsy Road, Gypsy Hill, Westow Hill (southbound), Church Road & Westow Street (northbound), Crystal Palace Park Parade, Westwood Hill, Sydenham Road & Bell Green terminating at Lower Sydenham Sainsburys. The replacement of the 450 by the 315 along Kingswood Drive, College Road & Fountain Drive & replaced by the 322 between Crystal Palace Park Parade & Lower Sydenham allows the 450 to be re-routed via College Road, Dulwich Wood Park, Gypsy Circus, South Croxted Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Norwood Road, Herne Hill, Milkwood Road, Hinton Road terminating at Loughborough Junction. Buses can use Coldharbour Lane, Herne Hill Road & Wanless Road to return to Hinton Road. This would open up a number of new links 315: Balham & Streatham to Gypsy Circus 322: Clapham Common, Clapham North, Brixton & West Norwood to Sydenham & Lower Sydenham 450: West Croydon, Thornton Heath, Upper Norwood & Crystal Palace to Loughborough Junction Rosendale Road between Park Hall Road & Norwood Road would be served by buses for the first time ever Milkwood Road & Hinton Road would be served by buses for the first time since an 800 series Mobility Route was withdrawn around 2000. I don't think you've gone far enough! Basically, if a route suffers from a restriction, then try to combine it with another route that suffers the same. My ideas: 255 Withdrawn between Streatham Hill and St. Leonards. Rerouted via 315 to Balham Station. Enhances frequency along Bedford Hill along with higher capacity buses without much link loss. 315 Withdrawn between West Norwood and Norwood High Street. Instead extended via 322 to Crystal Palace. Also, rerouted between Streatham and Balham via the proposed 255 extension (thus removing the 'length' issues preventing it so far). Frequency increased to match 322. Combined restricted route sections into one as well as opening up new areas to bus service. Some links lost but no more than one change of bus neccesary. 322 Rerouted between Robson Road and Crystal Palace via Park Hall Road, South Croxted Road and route 3, then extended via 249 to Upper Norwood, Upper Beulah Hill. Also extended from Clapham Common via 37 to Clapham Junction. Converted to Double Deck. Eastern rerouting gives the 3 a helping hand whilst the extension relieves the need for more space at CP Bus Station as well as providing a new cross-Palace link. Western extension helps out the 35/37 along this busy strech but if stand space is an issue at Junction then could run further along to Trinity Road. Moz [edit] - oh and if the 315 vacates its' current West Norwood stand then the 68 could use it and serve the two West Norwood stops. You know, like it used to! |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 25, 2013 23:25:46 GMT
The 170's DP's & SE's have also done the route on a number of occasions as well. Personally, the 315 should be extended to Crystal Palace via Robson Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Tritton Road, Vale Street, St. Gothards Road, Gypsy Road, Gypsy Circus, Dulwich Wood Park, Kingswood Drive, College Road, Fountain Drive & Crystal Palace Park Parade, terminating at Crystal Palace Bus Station. This replaces the 322 between Robson Road & Gypsy Road allowing it to be diverted via Norwood High Street (southbound), Ernest Avenue & Knights Hill (northbound), Gypsy Road, Gypsy Hill, Westow Hill (southbound), Church Road & Westow Street (northbound), Crystal Palace Park Parade, Westwood Hill, Sydenham Road & Bell Green terminating at Lower Sydenham Sainsburys. The replacement of the 450 by the 315 along Kingswood Drive, College Road & Fountain Drive & replaced by the 322 between Crystal Palace Park Parade & Lower Sydenham allows the 450 to be re-routed via College Road, Dulwich Wood Park, Gypsy Circus, South Croxted Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Norwood Road, Herne Hill, Milkwood Road, Hinton Road terminating at Loughborough Junction. Buses can use Coldharbour Lane, Herne Hill Road & Wanless Road to return to Hinton Road. This would open up a number of new links 315: Balham & Streatham to Gypsy Circus 322: Clapham Common, Clapham North, Brixton & West Norwood to Sydenham & Lower Sydenham 450: West Croydon, Thornton Heath, Upper Norwood & Crystal Palace to Loughborough Junction Rosendale Road between Park Hall Road & Norwood Road would be served by buses for the first time ever Milkwood Road & Hinton Road would be served by buses for the first time since an 800 series Mobility Route was withdrawn around 2000. I don't think you've gone far enough! Basically, if a route suffers from a restriction, then try to combine it with another route that suffers the same. My ideas: 315 Withdrawn between West Norwood and Norwood High Street. Instead extended via 322 to Crystal Palace. Also, rerouted between Streatham and Balham via the proposed 255 extension (thus removing the 'length' issues preventing it so far). Frequency increased to match 322. Combined restricted route sections into one as well as opening up new areas to bus service. Some links lost but no more than one change of bus neccesary. Moz [edit] - oh and if the 315 vacates its' current West Norwood stand then the 68 could use it and serve the two West Norwood stops. You know, like it used to! The proposed 255 extension also has issues with local residents within the borough of Wandsworth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 6:10:42 GMT
Yes though it would break the link between Roehampton and Kingston at night. What about converting the 430 into a 24 hour route? Why? The N74 covers most of it |
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Post by COBO on Apr 26, 2013 6:38:57 GMT
What about converting the 430 into a 24 hour route? Why? The N74 covers most of it Yes I know but to provide a night service Between Kingston and Putney for the suggestion of extending the 430 to Kingston. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 8:33:59 GMT
Why? The N74 covers most of it Yes I know but to provide a night service Between Kingston and Putney for the suggestion of extending the 430 to Kingston. The 85 is a 24 hour route. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 8:54:59 GMT
The Wandsworth scheme of 1991 was outrageous. The one bus links that thus scheme choked off were endless.
Shepherds Bush - Tooting , Chiswick High Rd - Wandsworth , East Sheen - Kensington , Hounslow -Putney.
The legacy lives on now, for whatever reason. The scheme brought minibuses to areas where double decks were always needed.
Taking the 220 as an example, the curtailment at Wandsworth has not made it more reliable. If TfL really want to improve routes like the 220 that traverse probably the most congested urban areas in the UK, then you need to put in segregated bus lanes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 9:04:54 GMT
Crystal Palace.
In partnership with the GLA, build a new bus stand inside the park, accessed off Anerley Hill and make the road outside Crystal Palace Station the pick up points. Extend routes 3,122,202,227,363,417,157,410,n2,n63,n137 into that stand.
Route 322 extend to Penge Crooked Billet
Route 358 to stand at South Croxted Road.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 9:11:26 GMT
New route
Bluewater , darent valley hospital, Princes road, joydens wood, Bexley village, Sidcup, Chislehurst, petts wood, locks bottom.
148 , divert after elephant and castle to Peckham via the 343 , increase frequency to 5-6 mins
211 , divert at county hall to camberwell green via former 148
C1 , extend Victoria to Waterloo via former 211 , increase frequency to every 6-7 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 9:15:45 GMT
N321 extend to shoreditch via old Kent road , elephant and castle, borough , London bridge, Liverpool st . Increase to every 20 mins nightly. One bus per hour extends from Foots Cray to Orpington via the 51.
N136 , extend to Bromley via the 269 from Chislehurst.
R8 , extend with KCC support from Orpington to Sevenoaks via chelsfield village, shoreham, otford and bat and ball. Double run during opening hours to Polehill Garden Centre. Sunday service every two hours introduced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 9:41:41 GMT
New red arrow services .
563 Peckham - Holborn Circus via the 63. Mon-Fri peaks every 6 mins.
581 Rotherhithe - Bloomsbury via the 381 to Waterloo then 521 to Bloomsbury. Mon -Fri peaks every 6 mins
553 , New cross - Great Portland Street via the 53 to Trafalgar Square then the 453. Daily every 6 mins.
510 , Kings Cross - Trafalgar Square , via Euston Road, Marylebone Road, Marylebone High Street , Great Portland Street , Regent Street , Haymarket. Daily , shopping hours service approx 0800 - 2200. Every 10 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 10:10:21 GMT
This would then allow the 57 to be diverted at Streatham Place down Brixton Hill to Brixton. Cannot agree with that, the traffic on Brixton Hill, and especially Brixton station, would make it too unreliable. And looping the 255 via Streatham Place seems a completely unnecessary detour that would needlessly extend journey times. One G1 is bad enough! Incidentally, Streatham Village refers just to St Leonard's, originally the village was from around Streatham Green to the police station, which is also how it is used in Lambeth council's local plan. The area around Streatham station they call Streatham South, although with the decade-long redevelopment plans, that are finally approaching completion, most people still call it Streatham Hub. |
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