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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2013 16:47:34 GMT
Route 84 Lower Sydenham to Victoria Lower Sydenham Sydenham Forest Hill Lordship Lane East Dulwich Denmark Hill Loughborough Junction Brixton Stockwell Vauxhall Bus Station Battersea Park Chelsea Bridge Monday to Saturday 5-8 minutes Sunday 12 minutes Late evenings 12 minutes Operated by Go Ahead London General at Stockwell With Wright Gemini 2's PVR 20 Sounds ok, would help the 176 a bit. However it joins the over bussed Brixton to kennington straight , could it carry on via the 37 instead to Clapham and then via 88 ? His new routing does not join the Brixton to Kennington straight, it crosses over Brixton Road from Gresham Road to Stockwell Road. Out of interest, how have you come to the conclusion that the Brixton Kennington corridor is over bussed? |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 18, 2013 10:58:03 GMT
Sounds ok, would help the 176 a bit. However it joins the over bussed Brixton to kennington straight , could it carry on via the 37 instead to Clapham and then via 88 ? It could but it would be more longer but the frequency of the route could be reduced from Brixton it goes to Stockwell then that road where route 2 and 89 use I take it you mean route 88 and not 89.  That would be South Lambeth Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 18:07:46 GMT
Sounds ok, would help the 176 a bit. However it joins the over bussed Brixton to kennington straight , could it carry on via the 37 instead to Clapham and then via 88 ? His new routing does not join the Brixton to Kennington straight, it crosses over Brixton Road from Gresham Road to Stockwell Road. Out of interest, how have you come to the conclusion that the Brixton Kennington corridor is over bussed? Because Brixton is a sea of red buses back to back for most of the day ! |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 19, 2013 18:27:08 GMT
His new routing does not join the Brixton to Kennington straight, it crosses over Brixton Road from Gresham Road to Stockwell Road. Out of interest, how have you come to the conclusion that the Brixton Kennington corridor is over bussed? Because Brixton is a sea of red buses back to back for most of the day ! The only part of Brixton that has a sea of buses is between Brixton Police Station & the one way system outside the town hall - good luck in removing them! |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 19, 2013 19:26:52 GMT
Also one has to remember that Brixton Road is surrounded by adjoining streets that are purely residential and have no other buses (baring the P5) serving any of those backstreets. A lot of those residents therefore rely on services along Brixton Road.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 20, 2013 11:30:17 GMT
Because Brixton is a sea of red buses back to back for most of the day ! I've already expressed my opinions on this, but a "sea of red buses" doesn't necessarily mean resources are being wasted. a) There could be high demand along that corridor and all the buses are in fact heavily used, or b) there's a variety of places that need links to Brixton and Elephant and the corridor in question is the quickest route between the two - meaning although there may not be a need for all of those buses between the two areas, they are needed from further afield. My personal feeling with places like Oxford St is that it's a case of both. Also worth noting in some cases it's just a matter of stand space (e.g. Catford with the 47/171/199). I don't know the Brixton area very well so I'll leave others to decide whether it fits those criteria or is really "overbussed" and could afford to lose capacity/routes, but I do know both Brixton and Elephant are big interchanges and fairly populous so I'd be surprised if there's really a lot of wasted capacity around there. People often cite the 415 but even that often seems to have a healthy load when I see it at Elephant. Both options you mention apply to that corridor - there is high demand along the A23 from Thornton Heath to Lambeth North, let alone the Brixton to Elephant & Castle section and Brixton Road & Kennington Park Road is the quickest route between Elephant & Castle & Brixton - out of the 6 routes that run between Brixton & Elephant, 2 use the quickest route to get and out of the 7 routes that use Brixton Road and/or Kennington Park Road, 3 serve both Brixton & Elephant. |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 20, 2013 16:55:56 GMT
X5 - Canning Town to Romford Market, an express service running along the current number 5 route (it takes ages at the moment end to end)  Similar to the 607 / 207... More express routes need to be put in London - and the 607 should be renumbered as 6** is used for school routes  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 1:25:19 GMT
To be fair to the 607 it took the 6xx number before the school routes did  Both as a trolleybus route and as the modern 'express'! School bus routes were still numbered as variations of the main route they followed (even if the main route had been previously abandoned). The modern 698 takes its que from the former 98/A route, which lastly was a school bus only route. That then became very briefly 389, before the 698 number as now. |
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Post by moz on Nov 27, 2013 22:21:12 GMT
I've already expressed my opinions on this, but a "sea of red buses" doesn't necessarily mean resources are being wasted. a) There could be high demand along that corridor and all the buses are in fact heavily used, or b) there's a variety of places that need links to Brixton and Elephant and the corridor in question is the quickest route between the two - meaning although there may not be a need for all of those buses between the two areas, they are needed from further afield. My personal feeling with places like Oxford St is that it's a case of both. Also worth noting in some cases it's just a matter of stand space (e.g. Catford with the 47/171/199). I don't know the Brixton area very well so I'll leave others to decide whether it fits those criteria or is really "overbussed" and could afford to lose capacity/routes, but I do know both Brixton and Elephant are big interchanges and fairly populous so I'd be surprised if there's really a lot of wasted capacity around there. People often cite the 415 but even that often seems to have a healthy load when I see it at Elephant. Both options you mention apply to that corridor - there is high demand along the A23 from Thornton Heath to Lambeth North, let alone the Brixton to Elephant & Castle section and Brixton Road & Kennington Park Road is the quickest route between Elephant & Castle & Brixton - out of the 6 routes that run between Brixton & Elephant, 2 use the quickest route to get and out of the 7 routes that use Brixton Road and/or Kennington Park Road, 3 serve both Brixton & Elephant. Streatham Hill, Brixton Hill and Brixton are definitely good bus territory. The AM peak is mental as are Saturdays after about 9am and most times on Sundays. The main problem is getting the right people on the right buses as it's a daily occurrence for through users of the 133 or 159 to get left behind only to have those self same buses that left them empty out at Brixton Station, especially if there has been a short gap of 109s and 250s. If it were money-no-object then I'd have buses running AM peak from Streatham Hub all stops to Brixton then light back and vice versa in the evening peak. I'd make sure they were dispatched a few minutes before 133/159 departures in AM peak and before 109/250 departures PM peak. No need for a new route number, just stick 'Brixton' or 'Streatham' on the front and they'll fill up in no time! Failing that, give the 109 a much needed peak time frequency boost as it encounters two rush hours per rush hour (into/out of Brixton/Croydon) and needs it desperately. Moz |
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That would be South Lambeth Road.
Similar to the 607 / 207... More express routes need to be put in London - and the 607 should be renumbered as 6** is used for school routes 
Both as a trolleybus route and as the modern 'express'! School bus routes were still numbered as variations of the main route they followed (even if the main route had been previously abandoned). The modern 698 takes its que from the former 98/A route, which lastly was a school bus only route. That then became very briefly 389, before the 698 number as now.
