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Post by vjaska on Aug 13, 2013 14:03:50 GMT
For me, it wouldn't run via Park Road - I'd run it via South Norwood Hill & Whitehorse Lane which would help the 468 along that section at busy times. That section of the 468/X68 very quiet most of the time. The only time it's busy is in the mornings when people wait for the X68. Running via Park Road has the advantage of providing buses to that road and being more direct. Canterbury Road - could it not run via the 289's routing which would help it out along Thornton Road rather than another bus along that section of London Road even if Canterbury Road is not far down. It would provide better interchange with other routes at Thornton Heath Pond(60, 64, 109), run via Mayday Hospital (useful link) and provide a bus route to the currently 'unbused' Canterbury Road. Again, Thornton Road isn't busy enough to warrant anoher route running along here. Better to up the frequency on the 289 IMO. Merantum Way - pretty dead road where very few people even board the 470 along there. Ideally it would run via Colliers Wood Station and Merton High Street, but running via Merantun Way would mean it skips much of the traffic. I've been on packed 468's along Whitehorse Lane outside of peak times, besides, the route would have re-routed away from Park Road when Crystal Palace play at home as Park Road gets closed off for matches. Any 289's I've been on are jam packed from West Croydon to Purley Way so an extra route would help it especially as TfL don't seem to want to convert it to double deckers. If the 289 was converted, then the route can be diverted via Canterbury Road. I understand about Merantun Way, fair point on that one  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:37:47 GMT
The 75 used to run to Blackheath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:42:18 GMT
94 extended to Turnham Green
440 extended to Brent Cross
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 13, 2013 16:49:54 GMT
The 75 used to run to Blackheath. Now it is running to Lewisham..... |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 13, 2013 17:26:12 GMT
The 75 used to run to Blackheath. The 35 used to run to Chingford, doesn't mean it should start doing it again! |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 13, 2013 18:50:48 GMT
New route 306, Norwood Junction Station to Kingston Vale, Robin Hood Lane
Via: Park Road Thornton Heath Station Thornton Heath Pond/ Croydon University Hospital Canterbury Road Mitcham Road/Croydon Road Mitcham, Cricket Green Church Road/Merantum Way South Wimbledon Station Hartfield Road Wimbledon Station Parkside Roehampton Vale, AsdaKingston Vale, Robin Hood LaneEvery 13 minutes, operated by Arriva London with spare Euro 3 DLAs from route 34.  Great idea! I'd say however I'd extend it a tad further to Kingston Town Centre or Kingston Hospital. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 13, 2013 18:51:52 GMT
The 75 used to run to Blackheath. The 35 used to run to Chingford, doesn't mean it should start doing it again! The days when London had proper comfortable well ventilated buses! (STL, RT, RM etc) Yes, I do outdate the last RT by a good 14 years but I've caught them at rallies/events etc to know what they are like I even caught three proper RMs (two were RMLs) on Saturday |
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Post by Connor on Aug 13, 2013 23:48:21 GMT
How about this?
1. Reroute the 450 to avoid the Fountain Drive loop and the small tight roads at Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath such as Chevening Road, Spa Hill, Bensham Lane and Queens Road. Instead it should serve Church Road, Grange Road and Thornton Heath Pond. This should allow this busy route to convert to DDs, while serving the current busy spots of the 450 (Sydenham, Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath). This would also make the route a lot shorter so it would then be possible to extend it northwards to Catford /Catford Bridge (and it'll still be shorter than the current 450).
2. Convert the 931 into a regular half hourly service (rename it the 451). Extend it south to West Croydon via the current 450 and withdraw the Upper Sydenham-Lewisham section. This'll act the the new 450's feeder route.
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Post by jay38a on Aug 13, 2013 23:54:34 GMT
How about this? 1. Reroute the 450 to avoid the Fountain Drive loop and the small tight roads at Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath such as Chevening Road, Spa Hill, Bensham Lane and Queens Road. Instead it should serve Church Road, Grange Road and Thornton Heath Pond. This should allow this busy route to convert to DDs, while serving the current busy spots of the 450 (Sydenham, Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath). This would also make the route a lot shorter so it would then be possible to extend it northwards to Catford /Catford Bridge (and it'll still be shorter than the current 450). 2. Convert the 931 into a regular half hourly service (rename it the 451). Extend it south to West Croydon via the current 450 and withdraw the Upper Sydenham-Lewisham section. This'll act the the new 450's feeder route. For a Mobility Bus (or 900 series routes as there now called), the 931 has a good loading, same with others that are left. I would leave the 931 as it is as it provides a good service to elderly people who find it hard walking to the nearest bus stops which could be well over half a mile away, but i would make it regular stopping from Hillcrest Estate to Lewisham instead of Non Stop. |
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Post by DLA 365 on Aug 13, 2013 23:57:42 GMT
How about this? 1. Reroute the 450 to avoid the Fountain Drive loop and the small tight roads at Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath such as Chevening Road, Spa Hill, Bensham Lane and Queens Road. Instead it should serve Church Road, Grange Road and Thornton Heath Pond. This should allow this busy route to convert to DDs, while serving the current busy spots of the 450 (Sydenham, Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath). This would also make the route a lot shorter so it would then be possible to extend it northwards to Catford /Catford Bridge (and it'll still be shorter than the current 450). 2. Convert the 931 into a regular half hourly service (rename it the 451). Extend it south to West Croydon via the current 450 and withdraw the Upper Sydenham-Lewisham section. This'll act the the new 450's feeder route. For a Mobility Bus (or 900 series routes as there now called), the 931 has a good loading, same with others that are left. I would leave the 931 as it is as it provides a good service to elderly people who find it hard walking to the nearest bus stops which could be well over half a mile away, but i would make it regular stopping from Hillcrest Estate to Lewisham instead of Non Stop. If the 931 is well used, why not trial it to run say half hourly or hourly in the daytime via the current routeing but as a regular stopping service? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 14, 2013 0:21:20 GMT
How about this? 1. Reroute the 450 to avoid the Fountain Drive loop and the small tight roads at Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath such as Chevening Road, Spa Hill, Bensham Lane and Queens Road. Instead it should serve Church Road, Grange Road and Thornton Heath Pond. This should allow this busy route to convert to DDs, while serving the current busy spots of the 450 (Sydenham, Crystal Palace and Thornton Heath). This would also make the route a lot shorter so it would then be possible to extend it northwards to Catford /Catford Bridge (and it'll still be shorter than the current 450). 2. Convert the 931 into a regular half hourly service (rename it the 451). Extend it south to West Croydon via the current 450 and withdraw the Upper Sydenham-Lewisham section. This'll act the the new 450's feeder route. Not in favour of this TBH - as jay pointed out, the 931 seems to have very good loadings for a mobility route. Also, I'd prefer the 450 to remain intact even though the route is very busy. The only bit I'd change is divert it at College Road, away from Lower Sydenham, and extend it to Loughborough Junction via College Road, Dulwich Wood Park, South Croxted Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Norwood Road & Milkwood Road. This would open up new links from Loughborough Junction to Herne Hill, Crystal Palace, Upper Norwood, Thornton Heath & West Croydon - however, I do concede that the routing would be quite lengthy but the extension runs along roads that rarely see any heavy traffic. |
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 14, 2013 8:24:05 GMT
new route 438 Lower Sydenham to Putney Common Lower Sydenham Sydenham Wells Park Road Sydenham Hill Lordship Lane East Dulwich Camberwell Oval Vauxhall Victoria Hyde Park Knightsbridge South Kensington Fulham Broadway Kings Road Wandsworth Putney Station Putney Bridge 24 hour service every 7-8 minutes weekday Weekend(Sunday): 10-14 minutes Operated by Go Ahead London General Putney Bus Garage using Wright Gemini 2's or Operated by Arriva Streatham Hill Bus Garage Wright Gemini 2 H Good Link but too long and too many traffic Hot Spots. And unless you run it via West Hill (making that traffic hot spot thing even worse!) you cannot serve Putney Station and Putney Bridge from Wandsworth because of the no right turn at Upper Richmond and Putney High Street. There is no traffic need for another route to run up Putney Bridge Road, and no spare stand capacity at Putney Bridge, so forget the last bit. Wandsworth Bridge Road is adequately served by 28/295, Hyde Park Corner to Fulham adequately served by 14/414(22/74), 2/36/436/185 has current capacity north of Vauxhall. There's no point in sending a new route over already adequately served roads, who's going to ride end to end on that route anyway? Far too long winded. So to make it a realistic suggestion run as stated to Dulwich Library, up Barry Road (in the process finding a way to cut back the 12 to Peckham to partly pay for it) and then Peckham to Elephant via the 343 route, possibly then on to Vauxhall via St Thomas's Hospital where stand space is available. |
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 14, 2013 8:29:34 GMT
One corridor that could do with support is the 93 between Putney and Wimbledon... Wimbledon to Hammersmith via 93 & 220 would work quite well, probably need to use the stand at Brook Green and not sure where it could stand in Wimbledon.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 14, 2013 10:14:39 GMT
One corridor that could do with support is the 93 between Putney and Wimbledon... Wimbledon to Hammersmith via 93 & 220 would work quite well, probably need to use the stand at Brook Green and not sure where it could stand in Wimbledon. Perhaps it could instead terminate at Colliers Wood via Haydons Road, in effect helping the 200 in that heavily residential area. |
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 14, 2013 10:37:16 GMT
One corridor that could do with support is the 93 between Putney and Wimbledon... Wimbledon to Hammersmith via 93 & 220 would work quite well, probably need to use the stand at Brook Green and not sure where it could stand in Wimbledon. Perhaps it could instead terminate at Colliers Wood via Haydons Road, in effect helping the 200 in that heavily residential area. That is a good thought - the 200 also struggles between Colliers Wood & Wimbledon and does leave people behind in busy periods. |
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