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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 11, 2013 16:08:44 GMT
As there are hundreds of routes within London, there must be at least that you HATE! I have a few.
415 - this bus annoys me so much. It provides such a worthless link which is not needed, irregular and when I do see it the passengers are scarce.
C10 - horrible route; very long, irregular all the time and is always packed to the brim.
What's yours?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 16:50:56 GMT
37- uses some of the worst buses in London and too many turns for my liking. 109- takes away passengers from the 50 and in general, a very boring route. 319- this route is always crowded and stuck in traffic. Also it usually runs empty to Telford Avenue rather than taking a more useful route. 345- the route is way too long and slow. Definitely the route I detest the most. 468- too many bus stops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 17:12:18 GMT
As there are hundreds of routes within London, there must be at least that you HATE! I have a few. 415 - this bus annoys me so much. It provides such a worthless link which is not needed, irregular and when I do see it the passengers are scarce. C10 - horrible route; very long, irregular all the time and is always packed to the brim. What's yours? I agree about the 415, complete waste of time and resources
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2013 17:34:33 GMT
37 - Love the E's on route but the route itself has been unreliable for years. Also it & the 35 could do with some help on the Clapham Junction & Clapham Common section.
109 - A very long slog to Croydon due to traffic hotspots in Streatham and on London Road in 2 places. Also houses some of the worst passengers I've come across ever!
250 - Not as bad as the 250 despite taking a longer route to Croydon but like the 109, houses some pretty awful passengers.
415 - enough said by the two members who commented already. Quite why a 2 year extension was granted rather than complete withdrawl is, in the words of Nigel Farage, baffling!
P4 - Far too unreliable for my liking.
N109 - Why does every single driver go slow on this route?
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Post by Trident on Jan 11, 2013 17:54:58 GMT
25 - Too slow, Too overcrowded and....lets not go there ;D
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 11, 2013 18:15:28 GMT
For me, it's going to be those routes where the travelling experience is unpleasant for one reason or another : quite often as a result of some of the clientele.
So... 18, 25, 29, 50, 60, 64, 69, 109, 123, 171, 250, 329, 343, amongst others. Also, it may be my imagination, but route 314 seems to have more than its fair share of drivers who are poor drivers and/or lacking in customer care.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 18:27:42 GMT
For me, I detest the 167 the most. I don't like the EDs allocated to the route. The seats are uncomfortable, the vibrations are unbearable, and the 'bus stopping' sounds are too loud. You are almost guarateed to get anti-social behaviour on that route. The only time I can bear going on the route is on an early Sunday morning. Also, the route is slow. I'm sure there are worse London Bus routes, but out of my local routes it is by far the worst and most unreliable.
I don't particularly like the W15 and W19 very much, because of the small buses used for large passenger numbers, and the long and windy traffic-ridden roads they use.
In general I don't like long straight routes, with loads of stops and high passenger levels, such as the 25. Saying that though, I quite like the 48, 55, 56 routes, which i've always found strange how quiet they are and how little traffic there is post-morning peak time (well, in comparison to routes like the 25).
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 11, 2013 18:34:01 GMT
I have to say the 129. It provides a Useful Link via Millennium Village - Woolwich Road and thats it. IMO I think it should be extended to Lewisham via Greenwich Station. The most funny thing about the 129 is that it does not Leave SE10!
It is currently the most pointless Route in London. It is a liability.
Also the T32. IMO it should get withdrawn.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 11, 2013 18:51:22 GMT
345- the route is way too long and slow. Definitely the route I detest the most. I had a think about the 345 recently and I agree with that and I also agree with Vjaskas Idea to Shorten the 345 to Brixton and Make a New Route. Route Lewisham - Clapham Junction via New Cross, Peckham, Camberwell, Brixton, Clapham Common.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 11, 2013 19:48:53 GMT
I can't think of a bus route that I hate. What is interesting from all the comments so far is that posters actually hate - a) their fellow passengers b) slow journey times c) certain types of vehicles d) only having one route option to get somewhere e) how certain routes are operated by current operators f) traffic conditions which cause delays. None of this is actually hating the route itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 20:46:44 GMT
Route 123
I thought I'd take a trip on the 123 today as I hadn't rode the route in a while and I did pick the wrong bus for the total thrash scene. The DWs are so sluggish it could barely handle the entry of the A406 and your stuck in 2nd gear for some time, think this is due to the restriction of Kickdown as discussed on here before. Other than that the 123 is a decent route but too long to be on imo.
Route 388.
IMO the drivers on the route aren't willing to go above 2nd gear and your running down a clear Bethnal Green Road doing what looks like to be 10mph. I know its all down to running time etc but at least notch it up abit. I do recall back in November that I got one driver on the 388 which just gave one good hell of a thrash when ever he could and to me that was the only time I enjoyed riding the 388 to this point.
and I'm glad no one has mentioned the 8 here, so far.. ;D
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Post by snoggle on Jan 11, 2013 20:49:33 GMT
I can't think of a bus route that I hate. What is interesting from all the comments so far is that posters actually hate - a) their fellow passengers b) slow journey times c) certain types of vehicles d) only having one route option to get somewhere e) how certain routes are operated by current operators f) traffic conditions which cause delays. None of this is actually hating the route itself. Well, that's simply the semantics of "route" - whether you use it to refer to the route and all of the connotations/elements (etc.) of that particular route, or the actual physical route the bus takes. I did mention I don't like the Lewisham Centre U-run on the 108, so that's a case of the latter I imagine most people think of a bus route and their first consideration isn't actually where it goes, but more their own experiences with that route. It isn't semantics. It is reading what people wrote in their answers and then thinking about it. One person dislikes the 123 - it's my local route. There have been times when *its operation by Arriva* has driven me to utter distraction. Ditto when First ran it. Who wants to wait 40-50 minutes for a bus and then face a crush on board? - answer is no one does. That doesn't make me detest the fact it runs from Ilford to Wood Green via Walthamstow and Tottenham. It clearly fulfills an important orbital and local transport function given how many people use it. Someone else says they hate the 167. The one time I've used it I had a nice spirited ride from Loughton to Ilford and I thought it was fine. And your hating the 108 loop in Lewisham is really hating the delay because the bus to battle with the stupid traffic system in Lewisham. I have been grateful that the 108 does go via the shopping area because it makes interchange with routes from the south nice and simple. The real issue is, as you say, with the question. The term detest indicates a strong emotion and it is actually peculiar to detest an abstract thing like a bus route. If the question was something like "What bus route, that you've used, made you feel a bit crazy and why?" then it would (IMO) be a more sensible proposition. Sorry to be a bit analytical.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 11, 2013 20:50:22 GMT
323 - The only thing that saves this route is that it is only 10 minutes. The amount of very low speed bumps, and 360 degree roundabout turning.
W16 - I like this route because it must be one of the few routes that does not curtail anywhere apart from Leytonstone and Chingford Mount. But, goodness it is a pain to get to Leytonstone and back regularly. The one way in Leyton plus the long way around to Leytonstone etc.
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Post by Paul on Jan 11, 2013 21:16:16 GMT
Also, it may be my imagination, but route 314 seems to have more than its fair share of drivers who are poor drivers and/or lacking in customer care. That's just because I didn't get on the rota Seriously, I'd be interested to know the problems in more detail since I know most of the drivers on the 314. The 'poor driver' label seems an odd one because I believe most of the 314 drivers have been around for a while. PM me if you don't want to go into too much detail in public As for the topic at hand, as has been discussed one must decide what criteria you are using in order to say you 'hate' a route. I've not been on a route I 'hate' - although I did once take a 273 from Petts Wood to Lewisham. Constantly swinging off the main road only to re-emerge a few metres down said main road 15 minutes later gets a little tiresome! Of the routes I drive, taking just the route, I don't hate any of them. They are all nice and simple and in most cases, fairly straight lines. But once you factor in clientele it all changes and I really, really dislike the 208. It's constantly busy and the people are not the most friendly in the world. But hey, it pays the bills and at least when you are constantly busy time seems to pass more quickly
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Post by marlon101 on Jan 11, 2013 21:27:26 GMT
The 492. The route itself is boring, just to sidestep the semantic issue. Its ridiculously infrequent & often diverted away from North Cray bring the service to one bus per hour in those parts. The only saving grace is the DW thrash up Gravel Hill though they're so naff and, well, its DT so quite often Ts go out
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