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Post by John tuthill on Jan 12, 2013 8:58:10 GMT
Nothing wrong with DLA's, a lot are in better shape than much younger buses running around thats for sure. The 492 is a lovely route, many thrash sections & the 53 reg Gemini's are lovely, just like Arriva London's 1st gen DW's. As for the 37, the eastern section isn't as packed as the western section - thats were the reliability issues seem to stem from. The busiest section of the route seems to be Wandsworth to Herne Hill. At least between Wandsworth & Clapham Junction, it's got some help in the form of the 39, 170 & 337 but the Clapham Junction to Clapham Common section needs some help. What about the 35 & 345? They go to both these points
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 11:13:48 GMT
I like the 417 in general, but because of the number of schools it passes it is practically unusable in the early evening period as each bus becomes multiple school ones. The P13 is wholly unsuited towards longer journeys, to Peckham or New Cross, because of the low frequency, risk of turns, and long journey times as it goes around residential streets and gets caught in traffic on Dulwich Common, but is the only route connecting Streatham with south east London. It is like using a hail and ride type service to run a trunk route. As bad as the G1 may be, almost all the major places it links are also connected by high frequency routes. If the 319 is poorly used Telford Avenue-Streatham then it could be diverted from St Leonards Church to Crystal Palace via the 249. Thus adding an extra service on those roads where the dead runs of the 133 caused consternation. It could be tied in with an extension of the 432 to Elmers End, freeing up stand space at Anerley to extend, say, the 417 there to make more stand space at the Palace. The 319 is already unreliable enough because of congestion that to add such any extension, let alone one so long, would make no sense. If any change were to be made it would make more sense to curtail it at St Leonard's where it could use the stand space vacated by the 133 extension, and can then still make the simple run back to the depot when required. Not that I would agree with that, the route is as well used as you would expect of any at the outer end. Telford Avenue is not like Brixton where you have people transferring from the tube so it fills up at the first stop.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 12, 2013 12:24:14 GMT
@ various : perhaps I've been unlucky with the 314 (and I agree with those who say the route itself is nice/useful - for various reasons, a link from Eltham to Addington for me is very handy!), but over the past six months, I've had more than one driver who only appears to have two speeds (very fast, and stop), another with no spatial awareness whatsoever. resulting in one close encounter with a lorry, and another with an old lady. And we won't go into the driver who decided that I hadn't rung the bell to alight at Elmstead Woods : I let him know (nicely) that he'd passed my stop, and he, well, wasn't very complimentary...
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2013 13:42:57 GMT
Nothing wrong with DLA's, a lot are in better shape than much younger buses running around thats for sure. The 492 is a lovely route, many thrash sections & the 53 reg Gemini's are lovely, just like Arriva London's 1st gen DW's. As for the 37, the eastern section isn't as packed as the western section - thats were the reliability issues seem to stem from. The busiest section of the route seems to be Wandsworth to Herne Hill. At least between Wandsworth & Clapham Junction, it's got some help in the form of the 39, 170 & 337 but the Clapham Junction to Clapham Common section needs some help. What about the 35 & 345? They go to both these points Both the 35 & 37 struggle with the loadings along this section. The 345 is another busy route & it doesn't stop in the same place as the other two, plus it's journey time is longer due to the routing it takes. That's why an extension of the 417 to Clapham Junction via the 35 & 37 would be most welcome.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 12, 2013 15:43:45 GMT
What about the 35 & 345? They go to both these points Both the 35 & 37 struggle with the loadings along this section. The 345 is another busy route & it doesn't stop in the same place as the other two, plus it's journey time is longer due to the routing it takes. That's why an extension of the 417 to Clapham Junction via the 35 & 37 would be most welcome. Point taken. Another option might be to extend the 49 to Clapham Common Old Town?
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Post by M1104 on Jan 12, 2013 16:06:31 GMT
Both the 35 & 37 struggle with the loadings along this section. The 345 is another busy route & it doesn't stop in the same place as the other two, plus it's journey time is longer due to the routing it takes. That's why an extension of the 417 to Clapham Junction via the 35 & 37 would be most welcome. Point taken. Another option might be to extend the 49 to Clapham Common Old Town? Or the C3 (although i had earlier suggested extending that to Balham).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 16:07:44 GMT
Both the 35 & 37 struggle with the loadings along this section. The 345 is another busy route & it doesn't stop in the same place as the other two, plus it's journey time is longer due to the routing it takes. That's why an extension of the 417 to Clapham Junction via the 35 & 37 would be most welcome. Point taken. Another option might be to extend the 49 to Clapham Common Old Town? That'll go well with the newly shortened/extended 345 (Lewisham-Clapham Juncton); a nice overlap between CC and CJ (via Lavender Hill)
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2013 17:16:48 GMT
Both the 35 & 37 struggle with the loadings along this section. The 345 is another busy route & it doesn't stop in the same place as the other two, plus it's journey time is longer due to the routing it takes. That's why an extension of the 417 to Clapham Junction via the 35 & 37 would be most welcome. Point taken. Another option might be to extend the 49 to Clapham Common Old Town? That would work, would create new links in the process. My own preference though is still the 417 - it's a short route end to end and avoids most traffic hotspots. That said, the 49 extension you mentioned is by no way any worse.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2013 17:22:11 GMT
Point taken. Another option might be to extend the 49 to Clapham Common Old Town? That'll go well with the newly shortened/extended 345 (Lewisham-Clapham Juncton); a nice overlap between CC and CJ (via Lavender Hill) Personally, I'd ran the 345 from South Kensington to Brixton - divert it at Brixton Police Station to serve Brixton Station & stand with the P4 on Effra Road. The only reason is from my observations, most people seem to use this route in certain sections South Kensington to Clapham Junction Clapham Junction to Camberwell Brixton to Peckham That way, a new 445 route from Clapham Junction to Lewisham would in my view be more beneficiary as none of these sections are broken up.
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Post by mre81 on Jan 12, 2013 19:09:43 GMT
Nothing wrong with DLA's, a lot are in better shape than much younger buses running around thats for sure. The 492 is a lovely route, many thrash sections & the 53 reg Gemini's are lovely, just like Arriva London's 1st gen DW's. As for the 37, the eastern section isn't as packed as the western section - thats were the reliability issues seem to stem from. The busiest section of the route seems to be Wandsworth to Herne Hill. At least between Wandsworth & Clapham Junction, it's got some help in the form of the 39, 170 & 337 but the Clapham Junction to Clapham Common section needs some help. I agree there's nothing fundamentally wrong with DLAs: all they need is a deep clean, lick of paint and new seat covers, none of which they're likely to get at this stage in their lives. They will stink inside and look scruffy outside, giving the average punter the impression they are clapped out.
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Post by mre81 on Jan 12, 2013 19:13:23 GMT
I like the 417 in general, but because of the number of schools it passes it is practically unusable in the early evening period as each bus becomes multiple school ones. The P13 is wholly unsuited towards longer journeys, to Peckham or New Cross, because of the low frequency, risk of turns, and long journey times as it goes around residential streets and gets caught in traffic on Dulwich Common, but is the only route connecting Streatham with south east London. It is like using a hail and ride type service to run a trunk route. As bad as the G1 may be, almost all the major places it links are also connected by high frequency routes. If the 319 is poorly used Telford Avenue-Streatham then it could be diverted from St Leonards Church to Crystal Palace via the 249. Thus adding an extra service on those roads where the dead runs of the 133 caused consternation. It could be tied in with an extension of the 432 to Elmers End, freeing up stand space at Anerley to extend, say, the 417 there to make more stand space at the Palace. The 319 is already unreliable enough because of congestion that to add such any extension, let alone one so long, would make no sense. If any change were to be made it would make more sense to curtail it at St Leonard's where it could use the stand space vacated by the 133 extension, and can then still make the simple run back to the depot when required. Not that I would agree with that, the route is as well used as you would expect of any at the outer end. Telford Avenue is not like Brixton where you have people transferring from the tube so it fills up at the first stop. Streatham High Road is hugely congested which certainly doesn't help with reliability issues on the 319. Whereas the road from Streatham to the Palace is relatively and generally free flowing. I'd imagine it wouldn't take any longer than Streatham to Telford Avenue. It would also reduce bus-gestion on Sreatham High Road itself, and create a more direct link between Streatham and CP than the 249.
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Post by romfordbuses on Jan 12, 2013 19:36:24 GMT
This isn't so much as me 'detesting' them but hating them at times; All the Collier Row routes. Just because towards Romford they all usually arrive together or within a couple of minutes so if you miss one you miss them all ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 20:01:38 GMT
Gents there is nothing wrong with the 345 in my opinion. Travel on this bus early in the morning & it moves like a rocket & it is a very well used route.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 20:15:31 GMT
For me, I detest the 167 the most. I don't like the EDs allocated to the route. The seats are uncomfortable, the vibrations are unbearable, and the 'bus stopping' sounds are too loud. You are almost guarateed to get anti-social behaviour on that route. The only time I can bear going on the route is on an early Sunday morning. Also, the route is slow. I'm sure there are worse London Bus routes, but out of my local routes it is by far the worst and most unreliable. I don't particularly like the W15 and W19 very much, because of the small buses used for large passenger numbers, and the long and windy traffic-ridden roads they use. In general I don't like long straight routes, with loads of stops and high passenger levels, such as the 25. Saying that though, I quite like the 48, 55, 56 routes, which i've always found strange how quiet they are and how little traffic there is post-morning peak time (well, in comparison to routes like the 25). I disagree, as with most routes that operate with too much running time during the day try taking the route later on at night. It becomes a bit of a race to the end with not much room for correction. I've had very little trouble with the locals either but then that's down to how you first react to trouble. We had a young polish driver on the route for a while. She had to come off it as the kids made her life a living hell and went out of their way to look for her. And if you look at the figures were actually quite reliable at running it even with those shi**y refurbed ed rejects. I despise those buses but they do hold 40-45mph pretty well. As for routes I despise. 364 why we have hail and ride in this day and age is a joke. It just promotes laziness. They ring the bell, then expect you to stop outside their doors and if you don't.... Ding, ding, ding. That's why if I do a 364 I jam a bit of paper in the back bell.. 1 bell for 1 stop.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 12, 2013 23:44:39 GMT
I like the 417 in general, but because of the number of schools it passes it is practically unusable in the early evening period as each bus becomes multiple school ones. The P13 is wholly unsuited towards longer journeys, to Peckham or New Cross, because of the low frequency, risk of turns, and long journey times as it goes around residential streets and gets caught in traffic on Dulwich Common, but is the only route connecting Streatham with south east London. It is like using a hail and ride type service to run a trunk route. As bad as the G1 may be, almost all the major places it links are also connected by high frequency routes. The 319 is already unreliable enough because of congestion that to add such any extension, let alone one so long, would make no sense. If any change were to be made it would make more sense to curtail it at St Leonard's where it could use the stand space vacated by the 133 extension, and can then still make the simple run back to the depot when required. Not that I would agree with that, the route is as well used as you would expect of any at the outer end. Telford Avenue is not like Brixton where you have people transferring from the tube so it fills up at the first stop. Streatham High Road is hugely congested which certainly doesn't help with reliability issues on the 319. Whereas the road from Streatham to the Palace is relatively and generally free flowing. I'd imagine it wouldn't take any longer than Streatham to Telford Avenue. It would also reduce bus-gestion on Sreatham High Road itself, and create a more direct link between Streatham and CP than the 249. Iv used the 249 over that section many times and it is not very busy. To extend the 319 to Palace would have to be at the cost of the 249 which if withdrawn would cut capacity on the Streatham to Tooting bec section and Tooting Bec to Clapham common section of road.
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