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Post by Mokujin on Aug 21, 2013 12:47:57 GMT
129- 129 is so boring and so short, I don't why it exists. Just because it gets a few passengers, it is still short. I find 188 a lot more quicker from Greenwich to North Greenwich than 129 which so slow around the East Greenwich/Greenwich Peninsula Sainsbury's area. If it's extension to Peckham went ahead, then that would be a different situation. Also, it rarely uses the MCVs allocated to it, it always uses those E400s from route 36 which I find pointless.
199 - Although, I take 199 to school, I still find it short aswell but I don't really blame it as it gets lots of passengers and it is just a helper route to support route 47 but if it was extended to somewhere like South Bermondsey or Rotherhithe, that would have been better.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2013 13:04:14 GMT
129- 129 is so boring and so short, I don't why it exists. Just because it gets a few passengers, it is still short. I find 188 a lot more quicker from Greenwich to North Greenwich than 129 which so slow around the East Greenwich/Greenwich Peninsula Sainsbury's area. If it's extension to Peckham went ahead, then that would be a different situation. Also, it rarely uses the MCVs allocated to it, it always uses those E400s from route 36 which I find pointless. I can assure you it uses more than just a few passengers! As for the MCV's, maybe they are unreliable vehicles?
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Post by M1104 on Aug 21, 2013 13:20:26 GMT
129- 129 is so boring and so short, I don't why it exists. Just because it gets a few passengers, it is still short. I find 188 a lot more quicker from Greenwich to North Greenwich than 129 which so slow around the East Greenwich/Greenwich Peninsula Sainsbury's area. If it's extension to Peckham went ahead, then that would be a different situation. Also, it rarely uses the MCVs allocated to it, it always uses those E400s from route 36 which I find pointless. I can assure you it uses more than just a few passengers! As for the MCV's, maybe they are unreliable vehicles? I concur!! Also, the route is especially useful as a decker when the 02's kicking out. In many ways it's sort of the 'Red Arrow' bus of Greenwich.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 21, 2013 14:00:31 GMT
I have to add routes 29, 38, 41, 67, 73, 76, 106, 121, 141, 144, 149, 230, 243 and 279 to the list of routes I detest. Mostly due to the buses they use. Very, very boring, generic buses I strongly dislike. I literally yawn when chat on here turns to HVs, DWs, DW590-DW614 transferring from E to AD, ALN orders 769 HVs for route **...etc. Same thing regarding E400s and E200. I do wish Arriva would stop replacing 9+ year old buses at any given chance with Ts or DWs or HVs or ENXs (though I understand their reasons for doing so), and if they are to buy new buses, then order something different and interesting, such as some DD103s or Citaros... I'll have to also add route 202 to the list. It's a very useful route connecting many areas, with the excellent MCV Evolutions, however all of my recent journeys on it haven't been that pleasant. By that I mean terribly overcrowded buses and worst of all, very slow half-asleep drivers who have no problem in being many minutes behind the timetable times for no apparent reason (meaning I miss other buses/trains I was scheduled to catch!). Surely what you've said above is *not* that you dislike any of the routes. You simply dislike certain bus types that Arriva have bought and run on several major services and you dislike the way the 202 is operated?
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Post by Connor on Aug 21, 2013 15:04:07 GMT
I have to add routes 29, 38, 41, 67, 73, 76, 106, 121, 141, 144, 149, 230, 243 and 279 to the list of routes I detest. Mostly due to the buses they use. Very, very boring, generic buses I strongly dislike. I literally yawn when chat on here turns to HVs, DWs, DW590-DW614 transferring from E to AD, ALN orders 769 HVs for route **...etc. Same thing regarding E400s and E200. I do wish Arriva would stop replacing 9+ year old buses at any given chance with Ts or DWs or HVs or ENXs (though I understand their reasons for doing so), and if they are to buy new buses, then order something different and interesting, such as some DD103s or Citaros... I'll have to also add route 202 to the list. It's a very useful route connecting many areas, with the excellent MCV Evolutions, however all of my recent journeys on it haven't been that pleasant. By that I mean terribly overcrowded buses and worst of all, very slow half-asleep drivers who have no problem in being many minutes behind the timetable times for no apparent reason (meaning I miss other buses/trains I was scheduled to catch!). Surely what you've said above is *not* that you dislike any of the routes. You simply dislike certain bus types that Arriva have bought and run on several major services and you dislike the way the 202 is operated? Well yes...sort of. I seem to have gone on a rant in the wrong thread! But I do tend to avoid all of the routes I mentioned, except for the 202.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2013 15:14:50 GMT
I have to add routes 29, 38, 41, 67, 73, 76, 106, 121, 141, 144, 149, 230, 243 and 279 to the list of routes I detest. Mostly due to the buses they use. Very, very boring, generic buses I strongly dislike. I literally yawn when chat on here turns to HVs, DWs, DW590-DW614 transferring from E to AD, ALN orders 769 HVs for route **...etc. Same thing regarding E400s and E200. I do wish Arriva would stop replacing 9+ year old buses at any given chance with Ts or DWs or HVs or ENXs (though I understand their reasons for doing so), and if they are to buy new buses, then order something different and interesting, such as some DD103s or Citaros... I'll have to also add route 202 to the list. It's a very useful route connecting many areas, with the excellent MCV Evolutions, however all of my recent journeys on it haven't been that pleasant. By that I mean terribly overcrowded buses and worst of all, very slow half-asleep drivers who have no problem in being many minutes behind the timetable times for no apparent reason (meaning I miss other buses/trains I was scheduled to catch!). S Given MCV's past troubles with supplying buses and the ongoing political troubles there, the likelihood of more MCV buses appearing are probably fairly slim. As for Citaros, they'll only pop up when TFL specify 12m buses - I don't think Arriva have any full-sized single deck routes. The Citaro K apparently offers few seats, higher fuel consumption and a higher price for a similar product to the Enviro200 so it seems like no breath should be held for many of them being ordered. Seems like it was the neglect to consider air quality and now the rush to push hybrids that means so many middle-aged buses are being sent outside of London. Rather glad to see that some VLWs and DWs are being held onto for a bit longer, and that excellent buses like the VLAs are being kept on through NOx reworks though the life expectancy of a London bus seems to have taken a dive. What's odd is the disparity between operators - some operators are replacing their (often more interesting) 9-year-old buses at every given opportunity whereas others have a large number of leased buses (London United) or such a large fleet (Go-Ahead) that there's still swathes of Euro 2 and early Euro 3 buses in their fleets. I agree with you that current models of buses don't have much on the old Darts, DB250s, Tridents and B7TLs which were once the mainstay of pretty much every route in 2005-2006! Go-Ahead have only 1 Euro II bus in service to my knowledge - LDP151 which is the G1's spare bus. Agree on everything else though.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 21, 2013 15:18:18 GMT
I know this is off-topic but this is a question: If GAL don't win an extension (most likely they will) for the ELT routes and they go to another operator e.g Arriva in 2015, will Arriva have to unleash a new seating interior or will it be the same and will they also have to match the new buses and the bus stopsĀ for the current livery or a different one?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2013 16:01:53 GMT
Go-Ahead have only 1 Euro II bus in service to my knowledge - LDP151 which is the G1's spare bus. Agree on everything else though. And lots of Euro II B7TLs. All B7TL's are Euro III regardless of age - right from ex AVL1 to the sole Enviro 400 B7TL at/last at Bluestar.
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Post by Connor on Aug 21, 2013 16:49:28 GMT
I have to add routes 29, 38, 41, 67, 73, 76, 106, 121, 141, 144, 149, 230, 243 and 279 to the list of routes I detest. Mostly due to the buses they use. Very, very boring, generic buses I strongly dislike. I literally yawn when chat on here turns to HVs, DWs, DW590-DW614 transferring from E to AD, ALN orders 769 HVs for route **...etc. Same thing regarding E400s and E200. I do wish Arriva would stop replacing 9+ year old buses at any given chance with Ts or DWs or HVs or ENXs (though I understand their reasons for doing so), and if they are to buy new buses, then order something different and interesting, such as some DD103s or Citaros... I'll have to also add route 202 to the list. It's a very useful route connecting many areas, with the excellent MCV Evolutions, however all of my recent journeys on it haven't been that pleasant. By that I mean terribly overcrowded buses and worst of all, very slow half-asleep drivers who have no problem in being many minutes behind the timetable times for no apparent reason (meaning I miss other buses/trains I was scheduled to catch!). S Given MCV's past troubles with supplying buses and the ongoing political troubles there, the likelihood of more MCV buses appearing are probably fairly slim. As for Citaros, they'll only pop up when TFL specify 12m buses - I don't think Arriva have any full-sized single deck routes. The Citaro K apparently offers few seats, higher fuel consumption and a higher price for a similar product to the Enviro200 so it seems like no breath should be held for many of them being ordered. Seems like it was the neglect to consider air quality and now the rush to push hybrids that means so many middle-aged buses are being sent outside of London. Rather glad to see that some VLWs and DWs are being held onto for a bit longer, and that excellent buses like the VLAs are being kept on through NOx reworks though the life expectancy of a London bus seems to have taken a dive. What's odd is the disparity between operators - some operators are replacing their (often more interesting) 9-year-old buses at every given opportunity whereas others have a large number of leased buses (London United) or such a large fleet (Go-Ahead) that there's still swathes of Euro 2 and early Euro 3 buses in their fleets. I agree with you that current models of buses don't have much on the old Darts, DB250s, Tridents and B7TLs which were once the mainstay of pretty much every route in 2005-2006! I don't see why new buses were bought for outer London routes such as the 60, 121, 160, 289, 313 when plenty of other DLAs and VLWs could have been used for a few more years and that would have meant the 289 & 313 got converted to double deckers. Oh well...
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 21, 2013 18:24:11 GMT
Some of the routes I don't like have already been mentioned, such as the 197 and the P13, however the P12 is worthy of a mention because of the extension both north and south of the original route which has led to it being unreliable. It used to operate a circular route from Peckham to to the council estate opposite Honor Oak Cemetery and back. It replaced the P13 north of Queens Road Peckham station to Surrey Quays and was extended to Brockley Rise via Honor Oak Park station.
Due to the overlength of the route, it now has similar issues to the P13, especially in the peaks.
The 343 also deserves a mention, although I find the problems on that route is due to the lack of assistance from other routes in the North Peckham area, also I find Abellio's buses scruffy and and sudden change of buses which I've experienced in the Elephant and Castle doesn't help.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 21, 2013 21:39:24 GMT
I detest the EL1 and EL2 as it's just a fancy colour scheme and bus shelters on what are otherwise bog-standard WVLs. Why not just use 'normal' numbers (e.g. B1, B2)
I also detest routes 38 and 40 (although a semi-regular user of it).
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 21, 2013 23:29:49 GMT
I know this is off-topic but this is a question: If GAL don't win an extension (most likely they will) for the ELT routes and they go to another operator e.g Arriva in 2015, will Arriva have to unleash a new seating interior or will it be the same and will they also have to match the new buses and the bus stopsĀ for the current livery or a different one? Knowing TfL they might convert it to NB4L!
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Post by vjaska on Aug 22, 2013 0:35:56 GMT
All B7TL's are Euro III regardless of age - right from ex AVL1 to the sole Enviro 400 B7TL at/last at Bluestar. I'm not sure they are. For a start the first B7TLs came two years before the Euro 3 standard, and there was certainly a Euro 2 D7C engine used in B7TLs as I've seen it quoted before. It's always been mentioned on here by more qualified people than myself that they are Euro III - hence why Volvo were late with a low floor decker.
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 22, 2013 5:13:16 GMT
39, What a stupid pointless route that takes the longest possible way to putney from CJ All it seems to do is link a few different bits of Southfields and Putney to Clapham Junction, otherwise there's the 37, 156 and 170 for that. It links residential areas to stations/ town centres and is very well used. It's not designed to travel from Clapham Junction to Putney. I think the low number may give it a perception of being useless - if it was something like a 339 we'd think nothing of it.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 22, 2013 12:15:23 GMT
All it seems to do is link a few different bits of Southfields and Putney to Clapham Junction, otherwise there's the 37, 156 and 170 for that. It links residential areas to stations/ town centres and is very well used. It's not designed to travel from Clapham Junction to Putney. I think the low number may give it a perception of being useless - if it was something like a 339 we'd think nothing of it. Yeah, I was quite surprised when I did the route end to end - even in the Southfields area, the bus was packed - definitely not a pointless route.
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