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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 12:55:04 GMT
The 312 is diverted away from addiscombe because of the weak bridge in spring lane. I hope that they increase the 197 frequency when the 130/312 are rerouted back otoits original routing as right now the 312 can get busy espeically if it reaches the stops before the 197. Many times I seen a busy 312 and an empty 197 and vice versa especially in the croydon area. I still think the 312 should be merged with the 412 as it would create more links. Still trying to figure why the DDs on the 412 as I never see it busy I agree that the 355 and 407 should be double deck. There been many times when my 407 has been full to the brim. I haven't done the 407 much since I come back though. As for the 355, I remember when the route was first altered to serve clapham park and acre lane it wasn't really busy until about 2 weeks later. I was surprised at how busy my bus used to get. The 355 has alwayss been busy between mitcham and tooting and also from there to balham. Regarding the 322, there are no height restrictions on the route. There are two dodgy turns in st gothards road and in clapham north (towards clapham common only). All of the enviro 200s at BC have 322 on their blinds Apparently the 412 was double decked to cope with school traffic, as you say its never busy otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 13:04:43 GMT
The 130 and 312 are diverted until the weight restriction in Spring Lane is removed. The 312 may just was well be 'suspended' until then as all its doing at the moment is duplicating the 197, the 197 could be extended to South Croydon Garage (it runs there out of service anyway for driver changeovers) and given a slight frequency increase, the Peckham-Forest Hill section is quite busy as well. When the bridge reopens extend the 412 to Norwood Junction and the 130 extension to Thornton Heath can hopefully go ahead at long last. I hope so. Both would give the routes some purpose...
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 21, 2013 16:17:55 GMT
The 312 is diverted away from addiscombe because of the weak bridge in spring lane. I hope that they increase the 197 frequency when the 130/312 are rerouted back otoits original routing as right now the 312 can get busy espeically if it reaches the stops before the 197. Many times I seen a busy 312 and an empty 197 and vice versa especially in the croydon area. I still think the 312 should be merged with the 412 as it would create more links. Still trying to figure why the DDs on the 412 as I never see it busy I agree that the 355 and 407 should be double deck. There been many times when my 407 has been full to the brim. I haven't done the 407 much since I come back though. As for the 355, I remember when the route was first altered to serve clapham park and acre lane it wasn't really busy until about 2 weeks later. I was surprised at how busy my bus used to get. The 355 has alwayss been busy between mitcham and tooting and also from there to balham. Regarding the 322, there are no height restrictions on the route. There are two dodgy turns in st gothards road and in clapham north (towards clapham common only). All of the enviro 200s at BC have 322 on their blinds Apparently the 412 was double decked to cope with school traffic, as you say its never busy otherwise. It was to cope with school traffic as it allowed the 612 to be scaled down. i think the 612 had a PVR of 5 and ran about 8 journies in both directions and as we know school routes can have costly mileage. I guess it just worked out cheaper to DD the 412 and scale back on the school mileage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 22:00:24 GMT
407 should be double decked. 164 should be, even the X26 should run double decker rather than the long single deck buses that are always busy.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 22, 2013 22:16:34 GMT
I believe the 163 and 164 had the double-deck option available during their last tender.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 22:24:55 GMT
I believe the 163 and 164 had the double-deck option available during their last tender. I would hope at the next tender that at least the 164 would be double-decked, as it's the more direct link from Wimbledon to Morden and the only link from Wimbledon to Sutton...
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 22, 2013 23:08:39 GMT
I believe the 163 and 164 had the double-deck option available during their last tender. I would hope at the next tender that at least the 164 would be double-decked, as it's the more direct link from Wimbledon to Morden and the only link from Wimbledon to Sutton... The 163 does have a school day DD working but in reality nobody travels on the 163 that far. Most from Morden have got off by Raynes Park which at most is 15 mins journey then again most from Raynes Park are only going to Wimbledon about 11 mins away. The 164 does fill up at Wimbledon and again at Morden but does empty quite quickly. Even during the rush hour a large amount have alighted in the evening by St Helier Avenue with a few standing passengers into Sutton so i think TFL will always conclude the route can cope. The X26 would definatly get my vote as im sick of standing on most journies now from kingston to Worcester Pk where i normally get a seat for the rest of the run to Sutton but sometimes have to stand all the way. The luggage is the problem though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 23:11:55 GMT
I would hope at the next tender that at least the 164 would be double-decked, as it's the more direct link from Wimbledon to Morden and the only link from Wimbledon to Sutton... The 163 does have a school day DD working but in reality nobody travels on the 163 that far. Most from Morden have got off by Raynes Park which at most is 15 mins journey then again most from Raynes Park are only going to Wimbledon about 11 mins away. The 164 does fill up at Wimbledon and again at Morden but does empty quite quickly. Even during the rush hour a large amount have alighted in the evening by St Helier Avenue with a few standing passengers into Sutton so i think TFL will always conclude the route can cope. The X26 would definatly get my vote as im sick of standing on most journies now from kingston to Worcester Pk where i normally get a seat for the rest of the run to Sutton but sometimes have to stand all the way. The luggage is the problem though. I went on the route from end-to-end once. It seems to be one of those routes that fills up to the brim, then suddenly empties, then fills up again - it's a short route that sort of patches together several small links rather than acting as a big meandering trunk route and I suppose that's why it copes.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 22, 2013 23:20:56 GMT
407 should be double decked. 164 should be, even the X26 should run double decker rather than the long single deck buses that are always busy. Agree on the 407 - the ADL's under Arriva were regularly overcrowded and I'm guessing the Enviro 200's are as well. The 164 - haven't used it enough to comment. It wasn't too busy when I have though. Disagree with the X26, I still don't believe it gets that busy to warrant deckers. If Artics were still around, that would be the best option to me.
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Post by COBO on Jan 23, 2013 17:48:18 GMT
In my opinion routes 112, 232 and 245 need to be double decked because they get overcrowded.
Route 395 also gets overcrowded and needs a frequency increase.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 24, 2013 6:27:12 GMT
407 should be double decked. 164 should be, even the X26 should run double decker rather than the long single deck buses that are always busy. Agree on the 407 - the ADL's under Arriva were regularly overcrowded and I'm guessing the Enviro 200's are as well. The 164 - haven't used it enough to comment. It wasn't too busy when I have though. Disagree with the X26, I still don't believe it gets that busy to warrant deckers. If Artics were still around, that would be the best option to me. What I liked when Metrobus ran the X26 was they put a lot of double deckers on it. The early morning journeys are packed to the brim. IMO it should have got 10.9m Enviro 400s with a single door with luggage racks on the lower deck. DDs will be good for the X26 as the extra capacity will be there when it is required.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 16:20:26 GMT
Agree on the 407 - the ADL's under Arriva were regularly overcrowded and I'm guessing the Enviro 200's are as well. The 164 - haven't used it enough to comment. It wasn't too busy when I have though. Disagree with the X26, I still don't believe it gets that busy to warrant deckers. If Artics were still around, that would be the best option to me. What I liked when Metrobus ran the X26 was they put a lot of double deckers on it. The early morning journeys are packed to the brim. IMO it should have got 10.9m Enviro 400s with a single door with luggage racks on the lower deck. DDs will be good for the X26 as the extra capacity will be there when it is required. The X26 can pick up a full load at Heathrow and a half hour wait for anybody that can't get on, it should be top of the list for double deckers. Metrobus put quite a few deckers out particularly on Sundays.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 16:42:36 GMT
What I liked when Metrobus ran the X26 was they put a lot of double deckers on it. The early morning journeys are packed to the brim. IMO it should have got 10.9m Enviro 400s with a single door with luggage racks on the lower deck. DDs will be good for the X26 as the extra capacity will be there when it is required. The X26 can pick up a full load at Heathrow and a half hour wait for anybody that can't get on, it should be top of the list for double deckers. Metrobus put quite a few deckers out particularly on Sundays. how often do Quality Bus brings out DD's onto the route.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2013 17:21:59 GMT
The X26 can pick up a full load at Heathrow and a half hour wait for anybody that can't get on, it should be top of the list for double deckers. Metrobus put quite a few deckers out particularly on Sundays. how often do Quality Bus brings out DD's onto the route. Not that often as their DD allocation is very tight. 13 DDs which are needed for 4 on the 406, 4 on the 418 and 2 at peaks on the 467 plus one needed for on the 463 school journey so thats only 2 spares for all their routes. that was one of the reason i was dispaointed when they won the route was that i knew they didnt have a large pool of DDs to use at times as when the route was one they didnt have DD13 so it meant during the peaks they only had 1 spare DD at the garage.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 24, 2013 17:34:25 GMT
I wasn't sure, thanks! There's some residents objection to the 235 getting deckers, isn't there? Often residents seem to be a humongous barrier to double-decking, which seems to be why routes like the 214 have gone for so long with inadequate capacity. Ironically, a lot of the time complaining residents seem to then complain to the council about how there's not enough capacity on their local bus route - guess what, can't have it both ways... In terms of the 235, if double-deckers really can't be used it does sound like something needs to be done. Frankly, why it was ever acceptable for 10.2m Darts to be allocated to the route is another question. How tight are the turns on the route - failing deckers, Citaros (or the like) could always be an option.. I think it did, forgot about that. As for longer buses, only familiar with the route between Brentford and Feltham High Street, and I'd reckon the only "interesting" bit in that section could be the stand at Brentford. Wouldn't be surprised though if other things come to light around the Sunbury end. The 235 could definitely do with double deckers, but the 117 also struggles at times too. A frequency increase to the 117 would solve some problems as it follows almost the same route as the 235 between Isleworth and Lower Feltham. With regards to the 285, the Hampton Sainsburys section should prove no problems as when the 290 was with LU at Fulwell, they would frequently put TA's on the route (though the 290 definitely does not need Deckers) and they had no problem with the awkward Hampton Sainsburys turn. At the turn of the last contract, I believe a Double decker option for the 285 was specified but the single decker option was chosen.
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