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Post by Hassaan on Mar 7, 2013 19:05:28 GMT
I agree, a crew change can be done in 10 minutes (maybe even less), so it would make sense as opposed to doing a change mid route (particularly in the morning peak, where many people need to get to work/school etc. on time), thus making running time faster and the service more reliable. The only disadvantage is the distance, although FW operate a lot of services from Kingston and they frequently (especially the 131) swap buses around, which can be used as crew shuttles. If a route terminates at it's home garage, then bingo, you can change the driver there! This might have been one of the motives for moving the 110 to FW. In Kingston, this means that the 111, 281 and 285 could all move to TV. Live crew changes don't necessarily need to be abolished. The ones on the 25 are usually reasonably quick (only taking a couple of minutes) whereas the 172 and 188 crew changes can often take so long that half the passengers on the bus get fed up and get off. It all depends... Indeed, from my experience AV, G, FW, HH and AH are good with their driver changeovers. And if the 111 went to TV you will be one complaining that it is unreliable. After all, you need it to get to uni ;D |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 7, 2013 19:15:29 GMT
Live crew changes don't necessarily need to be abolished. The ones on the 25 are usually reasonably quick (only taking a couple of minutes) whereas the 172 and 188 crew changes can often take so long that half the passengers on the bus get fed up and get off. It all depends... Indeed, from my experience AV, G, FW, HH and AH are good with their driver changeovers. And if the 111 went to TV you will be one complaining that it is unreliable. After all, you need it to get to uni ;D Good point. Even at AV it's still unreliable!  |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 7, 2013 19:16:33 GMT
But then you get three at once...  Saw this at Bethnal Green last summer. The 25 doesn't go to Bethnal Green  it's not uncommon at Bow (the current changeover point) to have 3 or 4 buses lined up for changeovers. They usually don't take particularly long though - my worst experiences are on the 172 where it's taken 10 minutes or so. The 171 also has fairly quick driver changeovers at New Cross. I think I meant Mile End, my bad  |
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Post by jay38a on Mar 8, 2013 19:49:41 GMT
tbh couldnt you just say any route could near enough be run by another company, just look at when Arriva The Shires ran the U9 from High Wycombe, now Abellio at Hayes have it.
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Post by jrussa on Mar 9, 2013 21:01:21 GMT
I believe that the 275 was operated better with Arriva. Therefore, it should return to them.
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Post by mre81 on Mar 11, 2013 20:11:37 GMT
I believe the 159 actually had two live changeover points during the 90s, the second one being at Kennington Church as some buses were operated from Q (also remember the occasional garage journeys they used to do from Brixton to Camberwell via Loughborough Junction). And also the 59A also a Q route The 3 also used to do live changeovers at Kennington Church when operated by London Central at Q. This was back in the days when Q had allocations the 3, 12 and 159- all operated with a mixture of RMs and RMLs. In 1992 the 3 was coverted to OPO with the original SP class, and the 159 went fully to South London. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 11, 2013 21:22:50 GMT
I believe that the 275 was operated better with Arriva. Therefore, it should return to them. Really? I used to get fed up of the regular early morning service from Walthamstow Central to Walthamstow (Beacontree Avenue). About 8 stops, that was a crime! Generally, due to reasons which after 12 years I have yet to work out, this route is THE worst route statistically in Waltham Forest and one of the worst in London. In fact it was bottom 5 in Autumn and hence the additional bus was added. Stagecoach have at least, not cut short the route as ridiculously as Arriva did. |
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Post by Trident on Mar 11, 2013 21:28:05 GMT
I am slightly puzzled as to why it's not the N65, as it covers a substantial longer section than the day route. It also results in a confusing spider map for Chessington, which marks the 65 but provides no indication that it's a night only routing other than making it blue. However, extending the 65 does not sound like a good idea when you consider the reliability issues on the 65 and the resulting length of the route. I'm not sure what you mean by "make all Night buses into 24-hour counterparts" though. I wonder how long it would take the N8 during the day to get from Oxford Circus to Hainault, The Lowe... ;D ;D Lets not go there ;D. VERY I guess |
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 6, 2013 15:35:26 GMT
I hope London United have bidded or will bid for route 418. Then they can get brand new Enviro400s for it and operate it from TV.
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Post by l1group on Aug 7, 2013 6:46:51 GMT
I hope LU win the E3, then new E40D, or longer buses for this route (ADEL, anyone?) to add capacity to an already bunchy route. And driver changeovers can be at the Chiswick end (if from V), so more buses throughout the route, as Greenford is also near-ish Park Royal garage too!
283 - hopefully to some other company than LU, possibly Tower Transit (AS) or Metroline West (WJ), all not very far from East Acton. Also, no live driver changes (I presume) as before with PK.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2013 9:30:36 GMT
I hope London United have bidded or will bid for route 418. Then they can get brand new Enviro400s for it and operate it from TV. Why would London United bid for a route that their partner, Quality Line, already runs? Also, if the 418 is fine which I believe it is, then it's better to stay with them. |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 7, 2013 12:19:28 GMT
I wonder if Metroline could do a better job with the 267 It's so hit and miss at the minute  |
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 12:48:48 GMT
17 mins ago @mredd said:
. There's route 250 which is operated from TH that passes BN
. routes 32 and 79 which are operated from W and PA, which terminates near EW
. routes 279, 318, 341, 349 which are operated from LV and E which pass AR
. routes 36 and 436 which are operated from NX which pass Q
. routes 267, H91 and N9 which are operated from AV, FW and HH which pass V
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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2013 14:42:24 GMT
17 mins ago @mredd said: . There's route 250 which is operated from TH that passes BN . routes 32 and 79 which are operated from W and PA, which terminates near EW . routes 279, 318, 341, 349 which are operated from LV and E which pass AR . routes 36 and 436 which are operated from NX which pass Q . routes 267, H91 and N9 which are operated from AV, FW and HH which pass V 93 from A passes AF but not A 155 from AL passes SW but not AL The N155 passes both AL and SW, though most of its pvr is from A, which it does not pass The 417 passes BN but not N, the latter of which it's operated from The 280 from AL passes within walking distance of A but doesn't pass AL X68 passes RA but remote from its PM and Q operation |
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2013 14:54:58 GMT
Route 427 and N207 is operated from HZ but terminates near UX
Route N18 is operated from WJ but terminates near HD
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it's not uncommon at Bow (the current changeover point) to have 3 or 4 buses lined up for changeovers. They usually don't take particularly long though - my worst experiences are on the 172 where it's taken 10 minutes or so. The 171 also has fairly quick driver changeovers at New Cross.
