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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 2, 2022 12:31:08 GMT
You don't know the cost of this conversion. Apparently future conversions would only take a week. The deal would include the new batteries so there would be a saving in not having to replace the existing batteries without conversion. The OP mentioned he was surprised it hasn't been investigated further before and the answer is because it's costly otherwise it would of been done - also, look at the last system of modifying a diesel bus to a more cleaner technology and how well that went hence my skepticism. Exactly, this process isn’t just cleaning an engine and changing a few parts for more efficient ones. It’a building an entirely new power system, it doesn’t take a genius to tell you that won’t come cheap, especially for as niche a model as the NBfL. Now if it was an E400 where there is an abundance who knows.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 2, 2022 12:34:38 GMT
The OP mentioned he was surprised it hasn't been investigated further before and the answer is because it's costly otherwise it would of been done - also, look at the last system of modifying a diesel bus to a more cleaner technology and how well that went hence my skepticism. Exactly, this process isn’t just cleaning an engine and changing a few parts for more efficient ones. It’a building an entirely new power system, it doesn’t take a genius to tell you that won’t come cheap, especially for as niche a model as the NBfL. Now if it was an E400 where there is an abundance who knows. It is a niche model, but there is a 1000 of them, so that alone is scale of economy.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 2, 2022 16:43:35 GMT
Sounds like a good idea. When they were new, I remember it was touted that they had the possibility for electric conversion. Although the cost of doing this and I do not think Khan would want them in London longer than necessary due to it being tied to his predecessor. Given the precarious state of TfLs finances, you hope any bias or vendetta is set aside, and whatever decision is arrived at is made in the public interest. But then, how often do the egos of politicians ever allow them to act in the public interest. Anyone seeking a path in politics must be morally corrupt. In fainess to Khan he has committed to them all doing 2 contracts and in some cases will be 2 and a bit (2 years or so) where they were introduced mid contract like with the 15. Personally I'd like to see them where possible doing a fixed 7 year term as the ones new to the 21/149/159 will only be 12 years old at the contract end. The 354k purchase price and now paying to refurb them I feel tfl really should try and recoup as much money as possible.
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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2022 17:42:47 GMT
Going forwards I wonder whether all garages can have the space for an electric facility, allowed to have an electric facility and space for more than one type of electric bus will probably be the several problems that operators have when we are approaching to a fully electric and hydrogen era. I wonder how oprators deal with these issues as we approach to become fully eletric and hydrogen. I mean can all garages accomodate electric facilites or allowed to have an electric facility and if they do will operators have enough space at there garage to compete with each other?
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 2, 2022 23:57:21 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Nov 5, 2022 14:01:47 GMT
A bit of a surprise will be on display at the Euro Bus Expo at the NEC this week. After 2 years off the road LT11 will be there following conversion to full electric. Do we think the whole LT fleet will eventually be converted or is that too costly? I've noticed in the past that when it comes to certain bus modifications that certain intended buses were left untreated for one reason or another. Examples I can think of are: 1) engine retrofits of the B20 DMSs with Iveco units (some still with their original Gardener engines) 2) gearbox retrofits of the L class Leyland Olympians with Voith (some still with their original Leyland Hydracyclic gearbox) 3) powerblind retrofits on Go Ahead's B7TLs with the retrofitted engines (the majority still with their original handle wind blinds)
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Post by lb122 on Dec 2, 2022 5:46:19 GMT
What's the smallest size the SD BZL can be?
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Post by M1104 on Dec 2, 2022 8:42:46 GMT
What's the smallest size the SD BZL can be? Not sure but it's been reported that the order for Metroline consists of 9.7m, 10.35m and 10.8m variants.
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Post by snowman on Mar 2, 2023 13:20:15 GMT
More Zebra funding for 117 electric buses Norfolk County Council will receive an extra £11.5 million to deliver 55 additional ZEBs Portsmouth City Council and Hampshire County Council will receive an extra £6.2 million to deliver 28 additional ZEBs West Yorkshire Combined Authority will receive an extra £5.7 million to deliver 25 additional ZEBs City of York Council will receive an extra £1.9 million to deliver 9 additional ZEBs www.gov.uk/government/news/25-million-to-boost-rollout-of-british-made-green-buses-around-the-countryCity of York Council: £1.9 million towards nine StreetDeck Electroliner double-deckers for First York Hampshire County Council and Portsmouth City Council: £6.2 million towards 28 GB Kite Electroliner single-deckers to operate from First Hampshire and Dorset’s Hoeford depot Norfolk County Council: £11.5 million towards 55 StreetDeck Electroliners for First Eastern Counties in Norwich West Yorkshire Combined Authority: £5.7 million towards 25 StreetDeck Electroliners for First West Yorkshire’s Bramley depot in Leeds. www.route-one.net/news/first-bus-orders-117-more-wrightbus-battery-electrics/
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Mar 5, 2023 10:18:43 GMT
More Zebra funding for 117 electric buses Norfolk County Council will receive an extra £11.5 million to deliver 55 additional ZEBs Portsmouth City Council and Hampshire County Council will receive an extra £6.2 million to deliver 28 additional ZEBs West Yorkshire Combined Authority will receive an extra £5.7 million to deliver 25 additional ZEBs City of York Council will receive an extra £1.9 million to deliver 9 additional ZEBs www.gov.uk/government/news/25-million-to-boost-rollout-of-british-made-green-buses-around-the-countryCity of York Council: £1.9 million towards nine StreetDeck Electroliner double-deckers for First York Hampshire County Council and Portsmouth City Council: £6.2 million towards 28 GB Kite Electroliner single-deckers to operate from First Hampshire and Dorset’s Hoeford depot Norfolk County Council: £11.5 million towards 55 StreetDeck Electroliners for First Eastern Counties in Norwich West Yorkshire Combined Authority: £5.7 million towards 25 StreetDeck Electroliners for First West Yorkshire’s Bramley depot in Leeds. www.route-one.net/news/first-bus-orders-117-more-wrightbus-battery-electrics/Interesting to see First York choose Wright not Switch Mobility.
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Post by yunus on Mar 9, 2023 23:36:32 GMT
As of January 2023:
1,028 - EV buses in London. 3,854 - HEV buses in London. 20 - Hydrogen FC buses in London.
Source is a combination of sites but the prime one being: zemo.org.uk
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Post by snowman on Mar 10, 2023 7:32:21 GMT
As of January 2023: 1,028 - EV buses in London. 3,854 - HEV buses in London. 20 - Hydrogen FC buses in London. Source is a combination of sites but the prime one being: zemo.org.uk I think the electric number must include many of those built, but not yet in service, awaiting chargers etc Probably nearer 800 in use.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 12, 2023 7:26:27 GMT
As of January 2023: 1,028 - EV buses in London. 3,854 - HEV buses in London. 20 - Hydrogen FC buses in London. Source is a combination of sites but the prime one being: zemo.org.uk I reckon that tally of hybrid buses is more than the rest of the country put together.
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Post by COBO on Mar 16, 2023 19:25:41 GMT
Is there an electric version of the Wright StreetLite available on the market?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2023 2:09:28 GMT
Is there an electric version of the Wright StreetLite available on the market? No, the Streetlite is available in diesel only. The electric single decker Wrightbus has is the GB Kite
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