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Post by borneobus on May 12, 2024 4:56:11 GMT
When a route is confirmed to be operated with electric buses for the new contract, how long after does the garage infrastructure works start and how long do they take to complete? Connecting any garage to a new supply from the National Grid is the real cause of delays. The work is carried out by UK Power Networks and they have lots of infrastructure work to complete when you add in new housing developments, retail parks, lifts at stations etc. Each new job joins the queue. I managed a project to install a new supply for lifts at Maryland station and it took almost a year to get the grid connection in place. Interesting insight - I'm not at all technical but would imagine that the 'project plan' to a) Electrify a garage and b) make EV buses operational would be challenging/complex with multiple internal/external dependencies. BTW - cannot comment on your lifts but post "Elizabeth Line" branding I think the façade of Maryland Station is probably the most improved on the line.
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Post by gregm on May 12, 2024 17:30:25 GMT
Standing in Crystal Palace bus station today, what a difference in quality of Electroliner LED blind displays.TUK ones on 363 clear and easy to read, Arriva's on 417 far less so.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 12, 2024 17:41:05 GMT
Standing in Crystal Palace bus station today, what a difference in quality of Electroliner LED blind displays.TUK ones on 363 clear and easy to read, Arriva's on 417 far less so. Are the TUK ones Hanovers? It would probably explain it as Hanovers generally have the better display itself.
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 17:58:59 GMT
Standing in Crystal Palace bus station today, what a difference in quality of Electroliner LED blind displays.TUK ones on 363 clear and easy to read, Arriva's on 417 far less so. I find both batches have good displays. Overall what I don’t like is the Ugly Style text on the Transport UK blinds on some of the latest blinds.
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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2024 18:48:30 GMT
Standing in Crystal Palace bus station today, what a difference in quality of Electroliner LED blind displays.TUK ones on 363 clear and easy to read, Arriva's on 417 far less so. Are the TUK ones Hanovers? It would probably explain it as Hanovers generally have the better display itself. There is nothing wrong with the legibility of either the Abellio or Arriva examples - both are easy to read. Whilst Abellio have improved their displays on the Electroliners, the Arriva displays still look that little bit better
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Post by cl54 on May 12, 2024 18:59:35 GMT
Standing in Crystal Palace bus station today, what a difference in quality of Electroliner LED blind displays.TUK ones on 363 clear and easy to read, Arriva's on 417 far less so. Are the TUK ones Hanovers? It would probably explain it as Hanovers generally have the better display itself. The problem with some of the Hanover displays is the switch on the control unit which alters the shape and size of the letters and numbers to fill the whole display area. Some garage staff used it. Some people think big is beautiful. It isn't as space is needed between and around the letters and numbers.
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Post by yunus on May 21, 2024 20:46:33 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2024 20:54:50 GMT
Probably not the case, as when any politician speaks 99.9% of the time it is either bull or lies.
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Post by yunus on May 21, 2024 21:12:19 GMT
Probably not the case, as when any politician speaks 99.9% of the time it is either bull or lies. Thank you and I could not agree more hence why I think their lying about these green buses as explained on the speculation thread.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2024 21:24:26 GMT
That’s another click bait news story like the others! They are all trying to make a story out of the LTs being Boris buses and Khan wants them gone by 2030. The article is pretty weak and he is even quoted saying “I think” which is not exactly committed.
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2024 21:35:17 GMT
Probably not the case, as when any politician speaks 99.9% of the time it is either bull or lies. Thank you and I could not agree more hence why I think their lying about these green buses as explained on the speculation thread. Unfortunately it is all we have to go on.
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2024 22:12:21 GMT
No, re-read the article again because there are at least two sentences in the article that mentions 2030 but then pours doubt on confirmation for it being regardless of extra funding. The 2030 target is dependent on government funding - until you see a concrete document that states otherwise (not an article from a website for known for going out guides), that's the state of play.
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Post by redbus on May 21, 2024 22:35:50 GMT
I think the Mayor will try and get all buses zero emission by 2030, and I think it is more likely than not that he will do so. The Mayor's third term until 2028 will be critical in this. From my reading of the article the 'think' is that all the zero emission buses will be new buses, as opposed to some existing buses being retro-fitted to be zero emission. I also predict that the cost of a new zero emission bus will fall noticeably in the coming years.
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Post by yunus on May 22, 2024 0:02:45 GMT
I think the Mayor will try and get all buses zero emission by 2030, and I think it is more likely than not that he will do so. The Mayor's third term until 2028 will be critical in this. From my reading of the article the 'think' is that all the zero emission buses will be new buses, as opposed to some existing buses being retro-fitted to be zero emission. I also predict that the cost of a new zero emission bus will fall noticeably in the coming years. I as others have no crystal ball and really hard to predict how the next few years will pan out. I 100% agree with your last sentence the costs are more than likely to fall as more operators convert. But there seems to be operators very reluctant to move beyond conventional Diesel - Sullivans immediately springs to mind as they are soon set to exit the TFL bus network and a few that I could not name on top of my head outside the capital. In fact, I read an article from 2019 featuring an operator in Essex stating that they will stick with EURO VI Diesel for as long as possible.
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Post by busoccultation on May 22, 2024 6:47:13 GMT
It is not just TfL that hopes to have a fully electric fleet in London by 2030. National Express West Midlands also have their aim to have their fleet fully zero emissions by 2030 as well and apart from Covetry that had a near full fleet replacement last year with a large batch of BYD/ADL E400EV being entered service there as part of the aim to have Coventry as a fully electric city by 2025, most of their current fleet of over 1200 buses in around Birmingham and Black Country are diesel powered buses including a number Euro 3 buses like Tridents and B7TL's still in service.
That will change as the first of the new BYD/ADL E400EV batch (of which there are 170 of them on order) for NXWM is due to enter service next week out of Perry Barr depot. Basically means if National Express want to reach its full zero emissions fleet by 2030 it will need over 1000 new buses to be ordered and delivered in just 6 years for that to happen.
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