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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2023 20:27:06 GMT
I thought - perhaps wrongly - that part of the TfL Bus Safety Standard stipulated no backwards facing seats on all new buses? - we can see this with the E400 City EV, where all lower deck seats face forward, but the ones produced by Optare / Switch Metrodecker still do, as do Wrightbus' hydrogens (Metroline WHD), and now even the newest Wrightbus electrics (Metroline WDEs)... is the "no backward facing seats" rule (if it ever was one) still apply? I can see the WDEs have the middle seat of the back rows blocked out, and all have headrests and skylight window as per the new "standard".. Interestingly the 366s SEes have a rear middle seat.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 24, 2023 20:41:42 GMT
I thought - perhaps wrongly - that part of the TfL Bus Safety Standard stipulated no backwards facing seats on all new buses? - we can see this with the E400 City EV, where all lower deck seats face forward, but the ones produced by Optare / Switch Metrodecker still do, as do Wrightbus' hydrogens (Metroline WHD), and now even the newest Wrightbus electrics (Metroline WDEs)... is the "no backward facing seats" rule (if it ever was one) still apply? I can see the WDEs have the middle seat of the back rows blocked out, and all have headrests and skylight window as per the new "standard".. Interestingly the 366s SEes have a rear middle seat. I’m pretty sure all the single deckers (from ADL anyway) still have the middle seat, it’s the double deckers that don’t.
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Post by yunus on Aug 24, 2023 21:12:20 GMT
Maybe I am stating the obvious but the so called "range anxiety" of EVs will most likely become a thing of the past as the batteries improve.
Ngl I actually looking forward to seeing how the Electroliner copes on the N199!
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2023 21:22:41 GMT
Maybe I am stating the obvious but the so called "range anxiety" of EVs will most likely become a thing of the past as the batteries improve. Ngl I actually looking forward to seeing how the Electroliner copes on the N199! I think it's been confirmed that hybrids will be used on the N199.
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Post by yunus on Aug 24, 2023 21:30:58 GMT
Maybe I am stating the obvious but the so called "range anxiety" of EVs will most likely become a thing of the past as the batteries improve. Ngl I actually looking forward to seeing how the Electroliner copes on the N199! I think it's been confirmed that hybrids will be used on the N199. AFAIK both the 199/N199 are converting to EV operation. The new duty card that a driver friend on route instructs to plug the buses onto charge after returning from the 1st half of the shift. Saying that some N199 jobs start as a 47 so maybe EVs will sneak out 🤔
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Post by sam97 on Aug 24, 2023 21:37:44 GMT
Maybe I am stating the obvious but the so called "range anxiety" of EVs will most likely become a thing of the past as the batteries improve. Ngl I actually looking forward to seeing how the Electroliner copes on the N199! I think it's been confirmed that hybrids will be used on the N199. It’s actually part hybrid. So I’d imagine it’s a mix of new EVs and some hybrids on the N199
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Post by WH241 on Aug 24, 2023 21:48:01 GMT
I think it's been confirmed that hybrids will be used on the N199. AFAIK both the 199/N199 are converting to EV operation. The new duty card that a driver friend on route instructs to plug the buses onto charge after returning from the 1st half of the shift. Saying that some N199 jobs start as a 47 so maybe EVs will sneak out 🤔 They will probably remove the cross link to the 47 if it causes issues for the N199.
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 28, 2023 20:02:24 GMT
2024 will see some massive competition from ADL, Volvo, Wrightbus and Switch. I wonder if any other companies will likely get in the mix.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Aug 30, 2023 7:07:20 GMT
2024 will see some massive competition from ADL, Volvo, Wrightbus and Switch. I wonder if any other companies will likely get in the mix. Switch doesn't seem to be eating into the London market much, only speckled short SD orders from Stagecoach and TUK. Re ADL you'll probably have the integral and BYD products competing, against one another for the DD. I don't think that between ADL/BYD/Volvo/Wrightbus that all orders can be fulfilled in an appropriate timeframe so I do see Equipmake/Beulas, Caetano and Yutong getting in on the action in some form or another. Don't forget Yutong now has a 9m SD and is bringing out a 9.8m DD which uniquely fills the requirements for routes with length restrictions like the 240 and 291 (not up for retender in 2024 but I'm sure there are examples that will be). TUK already have 43 Caetanos so could expand this number with the likes of route 201.
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Post by redbus on Aug 30, 2023 11:13:56 GMT
Very keen to see how night routes will run with EVs. Due to the charging etc Shouldn't be too problematic as not all buses are charged at the same time and thus can be rotated so that buses that were doing spreads or school runs can be charged/topped up in the depot in time for night duties. The 264 at C is an example of night working EVs, baring in mind that's a relatively short night route. In any case they're still be a number of hybrids about at depots just in case. Theoretically it should not be a problem, but look how many 24 hour routes have hybrids at night, even the 43 which used to be electric at night but now has hybrids. There does appear to be a problem running 24 routes with electrics all day and night. It is a problem that will need to be solved as when the fleet becomes all electric there will be no hybrids to sub with.
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Post by yunus on Sept 4, 2023 0:08:56 GMT
Shouldn't be too problematic as not all buses are charged at the same time and thus can be rotated so that buses that were doing spreads or school runs can be charged/topped up in the depot in time for night duties. The 264 at C is an example of night working EVs, baring in mind that's a relatively short night route. In any case they're still be a number of hybrids about at depots just in case. Theoretically it should not be a problem, but look how many 24 hour routes have hybrids at night, even the 43 which used to be electric at night but now has hybrids. There does appear to be a problem running 24 routes with electrics all day and night. It is a problem that will need to be solved as when the fleet becomes all electric there will be no hybrids to sub with. The 174 can not even manage to run with Electrics and it is not a 24hr route. Something is really odd but beyond me however as you say it should not be a problem
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 4, 2023 9:08:45 GMT
Theoretically it should not be a problem, but look how many 24 hour routes have hybrids at night, even the 43 which used to be electric at night but now has hybrids. There does appear to be a problem running 24 routes with electrics all day and night. It is a problem that will need to be solved as when the fleet becomes all electric there will be no hybrids to sub with. The 174 can not even manage to run with Electrics and it is not a 24hr route. Something is really odd but beyond me however as you say it should not be a problem Whereas the (N)93 and (N)213 seem to be using electrics now.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 4, 2023 9:24:13 GMT
The 174 can not even manage to run with Electrics and it is not a 24hr route. Something is really odd but beyond me however as you say it should not be a problem Whereas the (N)93 and (N)213 seem to be using electrics now. They were both using DOEs with one WHV on the 93 and an electric out on each last night. But for the majority of the past few nights they have been EV. But that is what happens when there is a large allocation of EVs and plenty of spares. But in that same idea the N264 has managed to operate almost entirely with EVs since it converted under Go Ahead, I can’t say 100% for definite.
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Post by abellion on Sept 4, 2023 11:01:33 GMT
Whereas the (N)93 and (N)213 seem to be using electrics now. They were both using DOEs with one WHV on the 93 and an electric out on each last night. But for the majority of the past few nights they have been EV. But that is what happens when there is a large allocation of EVs and plenty of spares. But in that same idea the N264 has managed to operate almost entirely with EVs since it converted under Go Ahead, I can’t say 100% for definite. The 264 certainly has for a long time now. It appears that C will send as many diesel and hybrid buses out on the 119 when necessary which means that they won’t run out of Ees to use on the N264, which also has a low PVR anyway.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 7, 2023 8:12:19 GMT
One thing that has always played on my head is how come the last hybrid batch for go ahead along with those with arriva makes those beeping sounds when they're coming closer. Similar to the electric buses nowadays. I won't say if it's because it's mirrorless as the enviros on the 364, 378 and 209 are mirrorless but they don't make that sound along with the smarts with stagecoach and abellio.
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