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Post by surab21 on Mar 30, 2024 21:02:55 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too.
I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2024 21:36:00 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too. I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice? VMSS - 23 VMS - 25 VMSL - 29
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2024 21:57:21 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too. I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice? I sat in a rear seat on a VMSS and it was fine for me and I’m 6’2’’
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Post by BusesInLondon on Mar 30, 2024 22:38:08 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too. I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice? I also find LTs and VHRs to have less seat pitch vs other buses!
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Post by surab21 on Mar 31, 2024 0:26:02 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too. I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice? I sat in a rear seat on a VMSS and it was fine for me and I’m 6’2’’ The back row seems okay to be fair, but the rows in between that and the ones at the step were very squashy for me compared to a the DELs that were used on the route previously
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Post by vjaska on Mar 31, 2024 1:04:00 GMT
I sat in a rear seat on a VMSS and it was fine for me and I’m 6’2’’ The back row seems okay to be fair, but the rows in between that and the ones at the step were very squashy for me compared to a the DELs that were used on the route previously Admittedly, I couldn't tell you what the other seats were like for me as I always sit rear right hand side on a single decker (obviously when the seat is free of course )
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Mar 31, 2024 10:51:42 GMT
Just looking at the Wrightbus vehicle brochure and discovered that the Electroliner and Hydroliner Kites (SD) have a greater capacity in the 10.6m model than the 10.6m DD Electroliner (454kWh model) and all Hydroliner DD models. This just seems to make no sense; how can this be possible? Could this mean that the 255 will soon be TH's highest capacity route? Note I can't link the brochure directly as it is a download, the link to download it yourself should be on that link somewhere.
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Post by enviro498 on Mar 31, 2024 13:07:29 GMT
Just looking at the Wrightbus vehicle brochure and discovered that the Electroliner and Hydroliner Kites (SD) have a greater capacity in the 10.6m model than the 10.6m DD Electroliner (454kWh model) and all Hydroliner DD models. This just seems to make no sense; how can this be possible? Could this mean that the 255 will soon be TH's highest capacity route? Note I can't link the brochure directly as it is a download, the link to download it yourself should be on that link somewhere. I think the capacity that a manufacturer provides is sometimes the largest amount of passengers without exceeding weight limits, instead of the highest amount of passengers that can physically fit in the bus. The Kite is obviously lighter than the StreetDeck, so more of the weight can be allocated to passengers which enables a higher theoretical capacity.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2024 8:30:29 GMT
Anyone know the seating capacity of the Volvo BZLs? I'm 6ft and couldn't fit into any of the seats behind the first step up at the back... Certainly wouldn't be a good experience if I was a regular 251 user, definitely a downgrade from the E200s in terms of seating. I feel like the higher headrests give it a more claustrophobic feel too. I wonder, do TfL specify seat pitch/dimensions or is this left to operator's choice? VMSS - 23 VMS - 25 VMSL - 29 I rode a VMSS and VMSL yesterday. With just 2 extra seats compared to a VMSS I no longer feel disappointed that the VMSs were not yet in service yesterday.
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Post by yunus on Apr 8, 2024 21:06:36 GMT
Had a bit of spare time so I taken some browsing on LVF regarding routes operated with electric buses.
It seems the majority cannot manage running 100% EV for at least a few days in a row. As we know the rollout is painfully slow regardless, I cannot even list on top of my head the routes delayed as there are so many due to infrastructure or late delivery of vehicles.
My own suggestion ignoring my preferences would be that TFL take a step-by-step approach on electric buses just how hybrid buses were built up gradually back in the years. New tech takes time to develop.
I know they have targets to meet but it makes more sense to slow down and get it right. It is also well known that electric & hybrid buses cost much more than conventional diesel buses so cost is a factor also.
Not sure who agrees or shares similar views?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 8, 2024 21:13:59 GMT
Had a bit of spare time so I taken some browsing on LVF regarding routes operated with electric buses. It seems the majority cannot manage running 100% EV for at least a few days in a row. As we know the rollout is painfully slow regardless, I cannot even list on top of my head the routes delayed as there are so many due to infrastructure or late delivery of vehicles. My own suggestion ignoring my preferences would be that TFL take a step-by-step approach on electric buses just how hybrid buses were built up gradually back in the years. New tech takes time to develop. I know they have targets to meet but it makes more sense to slow down and get it right. It is also well known that electric & hybrid buses cost much more than conventional diesel buses so cost is a factor also. Not sure who agrees or shares similar views? Tech develops when there is demand for it, in order for the tech to develop TfL need to continue ordering like they are now.
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Post by abellion on Apr 8, 2024 21:35:51 GMT
Had a bit of spare time so I taken some browsing on LVF regarding routes operated with electric buses. It seems the majority cannot manage running 100% EV for at least a few days in a row. As we know the rollout is painfully slow regardless, I cannot even list on top of my head the routes delayed as there are so many due to infrastructure or late delivery of vehicles. My own suggestion ignoring my preferences would be that TFL take a step-by-step approach on electric buses just how hybrid buses were built up gradually back in the years. New tech takes time to develop. I know they have targets to meet but it makes more sense to slow down and get it right. It is also well known that electric & hybrid buses cost much more than conventional diesel buses so cost is a factor also. Not sure who agrees or shares similar views? I don’t think slow rollouts are stopping TfL when routes can just use an interim allocation. Tons of routes will just use current vehicles from their last term like the 108, some can use odd spares like the 157/307, others can use another routes pending allocation if said route has compliant vehicles in the short term like the 89/333 and so on
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Post by yunus on Apr 8, 2024 21:43:36 GMT
Had a bit of spare time so I taken some browsing on LVF regarding routes operated with electric buses. It seems the majority cannot manage running 100% EV for at least a few days in a row. As we know the rollout is painfully slow regardless, I cannot even list on top of my head the routes delayed as there are so many due to infrastructure or late delivery of vehicles. My own suggestion ignoring my preferences would be that TFL take a step-by-step approach on electric buses just how hybrid buses were built up gradually back in the years. New tech takes time to develop. I know they have targets to meet but it makes more sense to slow down and get it right. It is also well known that electric & hybrid buses cost much more than conventional diesel buses so cost is a factor also. Not sure who agrees or shares similar views? Tech develops when there is demand for it, in order for the tech to develop TfL need to continue ordering like they are now. Understand your point but going by previous examples when it was the time when Hybrid buses were new, TFL gradually introduced them. The same should happen with full electric imo. IIRC it was the 29 having the 1st full alloc in 2013?
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Post by yunus on Apr 8, 2024 21:45:11 GMT
Had a bit of spare time so I taken some browsing on LVF regarding routes operated with electric buses. It seems the majority cannot manage running 100% EV for at least a few days in a row. As we know the rollout is painfully slow regardless, I cannot even list on top of my head the routes delayed as there are so many due to infrastructure or late delivery of vehicles. My own suggestion ignoring my preferences would be that TFL take a step-by-step approach on electric buses just how hybrid buses were built up gradually back in the years. New tech takes time to develop. I know they have targets to meet but it makes more sense to slow down and get it right. It is also well known that electric & hybrid buses cost much more than conventional diesel buses so cost is a factor also. Not sure who agrees or shares similar views? I don’t think slow rollouts are stopping TfL when routes can just use an interim allocation. Tons of routes will just use current vehicles from their last term like the 108, some can use odd spares like the 157/307, others can use another routes pending allocation if said route has compliant vehicles in the short term like the 89/333 and so on That is true and if I am not mistaken once the garage is wired up it will be faster for the next following routes to convert excluding the scale of delivery times.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 9, 2024 1:31:13 GMT
Tech develops when there is demand for it, in order for the tech to develop TfL need to continue ordering like they are now. Understand your point but going by previous examples when it was the time when Hybrid buses were new, TFL gradually introduced them. The same should happen with full electric imo. IIRC it was the 29 having the 1st full alloc in 2013? The 3 was the first route to have a full allocation in 2011 with 2414-2437
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