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Post by cl54 on May 22, 2024 6:51:18 GMT
I think the Mayor will try and get all buses zero emission by 2030, and I think it is more likely than not that he will do so. The Mayor's third term until 2028 will be critical in this. From my reading of the article the 'think' is that all the zero emission buses will be new buses, as opposed to some existing buses being retro-fitted to be zero emission. I also predict that the cost of a new zero emission bus will fall noticeably in the coming years. I as others have no crystal ball and really hard to predict how the next few years will pan out. I 100% agree with your last sentence the costs are more than likely to fall as more operators convert. But there seems to be operators very reluctant to move beyond conventional Diesel - Sullivans immediately springs to mind as they are soon set to exit the TFL bus network and a few that I could not name on top of my head outside the capital. In fact, I read an article from 2019 featuring an operator in Essex stating that they will stick with EURO VI Diesel for as long as possible. This 2030 deadline is only for TfL services. Other cities are adopting similar policies. There will still be some diesel buses around the country as long as the fuel is available. I think you need to accept that even Euro VI vehicles still pollute the atmosphere.
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Post by TB123 on May 22, 2024 7:15:46 GMT
It is not just TfL that hopes to have a fully electric fleet in London by 2030. National Express West Midlands also have their aim to have their fleet fully zero emissions by 2030 as well and apart from Covetry that had a near full fleet replacement last year with a large batch of BYD/ADL E400EV being entered service there as part of the aim to have Coventry as a fully electric city by 2025, most of their current fleet of over 1200 buses in around Birmingham and Black Country are diesel powered buses including a number Euro 3 buses like Tridents and B7TL's still in service.
That will change as the first of the new BYD/ADL E400EV batch (of which there are 170 of them on order) for NXWM is due to enter service next week out of Perry Barr depot. Basically means if National Express want to reach its full zero emissions fleet by 2030 it will need over 1000 new buses to be ordered and delivered in just 6 years for that to happen.
West Midlands is moving over to franchising like Manchester (estimated time frame by 2027) - it'll be interesting to see what impact this has on a ZE fleet by 2030 as it could serve to slow the introduction of new vehicles whilst there is uncertainty.
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2024 7:16:41 GMT
I as others have no crystal ball and really hard to predict how the next few years will pan out. I 100% agree with your last sentence the costs are more than likely to fall as more operators convert. But there seems to be operators very reluctant to move beyond conventional Diesel - Sullivans immediately springs to mind as they are soon set to exit the TFL bus network and a few that I could not name on top of my head outside the capital. In fact, I read an article from 2019 featuring an operator in Essex stating that they will stick with EURO VI Diesel for as long as possible. This 2030 deadline is only for TfL services. Other cities are adopting similar policies. There will still be some diesel buses around the country as long as the fuel is available. I think you need to accept that even Euro VI vehicles still pollute the atmosphere. But so do gas residential boilers and cooker/ovens ... but no-one is worried about them! It seems there is a blinkered view of pollution in the UK, and reducing motoring pollution will save the world ... it won't, when other pollutions are rising faster than the rate of fall of motoring pollutions. Captain Khan thinks he is the superhero Captain London ... when really he is the pantomime villain!
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Post by cl54 on May 22, 2024 7:35:39 GMT
This 2030 deadline is only for TfL services. Other cities are adopting similar policies. There will still be some diesel buses around the country as long as the fuel is available. I think you need to accept that even Euro VI vehicles still pollute the atmosphere. But so do gas residential boilers and cooker/ovens ... but no-one is worried about them! It seems there is a blinkered view of pollution in the UK, and reducing motoring pollution will save the world ... it won't, when other pollutions are rising faster than the rate of fall of motoring pollutions. Captain Khan thinks he is the superhero Captain London ... when really he is the pantomime villain! Heat pumps, halogen hobs and air fryers are more likely to be found in updated and future homes.
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Post by DT 11 on May 22, 2024 7:50:23 GMT
But so do gas residential boilers and cooker/ovens ... but no-one is worried about them! It seems there is a blinkered view of pollution in the UK, and reducing motoring pollution will save the world ... it won't, when other pollutions are rising faster than the rate of fall of motoring pollutions. Captain Khan thinks he is the superhero Captain London ... when really he is the pantomime villain! Heat pumps, halogen hobs and air fryers are more likely to be found in updated and future homes. Air Fryers are such cancerous things to use. I’m surprised it is becoming so popular not knowing the actual dangers of using them. I’ll always have a proper cooker.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 22, 2024 8:17:28 GMT
Heat pumps, halogen hobs and air fryers are more likely to be found in updated and future homes. Air Fryers are such cancerous things to use. I’m surprised it is becoming so popular not knowing the actual dangers of using them. I’ll always have a proper cooker. Is there any scientifically peer reviewed evidence to back this theory up?
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Post by southlondon413 on May 22, 2024 8:23:52 GMT
Air Fryers are such cancerous things to use. I’m surprised it is becoming so popular not knowing the actual dangers of using them. I’ll always have a proper cooker. Is there any scientifically peer reviewed evidence to back this theory up? There’s a Reddit thread with a bunch of nut job conspiracists going crazy over it. 😂
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Post by WH241 on May 22, 2024 8:35:57 GMT
It is not just TfL that hopes to have a fully electric fleet in London by 2030. National Express West Midlands also have their aim to have their fleet fully zero emissions by 2030 as well and apart from Covetry that had a near full fleet replacement last year with a large batch of BYD/ADL E400EV being entered service there as part of the aim to have Coventry as a fully electric city by 2025, most of their current fleet of over 1200 buses in around Birmingham and Black Country are diesel powered buses including a number Euro 3 buses like Tridents and B7TL's still in service.
That will change as the first of the new BYD/ADL E400EV batch (of which there are 170 of them on order) for NXWM is due to enter service next week out of Perry Barr depot. Basically means if National Express want to reach its full zero emissions fleet by 2030 it will need over 1000 new buses to be ordered and delivered in just 6 years for that to happen.
This is one of the reasons I don’t believe the 2030 deadline will ever be met in London. There is just far too many buses to built for London let alone the rest of country. The only way it might happen is if there is a massive influx of buses like BYD from China. Not sure of the numbers but there must still be several thousands buses needed in London and that’s not even taken into account replacing older electric buses that will be getting older as we approach 2030.
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2024 8:40:09 GMT
Heat pumps, halogen hobs and air fryers are more likely to be found in updated and future homes. Air Fryers are such cancerous things to use. I’m surprised it is becoming so popular not knowing the actual dangers of using them. I’ll always have a proper cooker. But then depending what you read, many other things are, such as artificial sweetners and processed meats to name 2!
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Post by southlondon413 on May 22, 2024 8:46:31 GMT
It is not just TfL that hopes to have a fully electric fleet in London by 2030. National Express West Midlands also have their aim to have their fleet fully zero emissions by 2030 as well and apart from Covetry that had a near full fleet replacement last year with a large batch of BYD/ADL E400EV being entered service there as part of the aim to have Coventry as a fully electric city by 2025, most of their current fleet of over 1200 buses in around Birmingham and Black Country are diesel powered buses including a number Euro 3 buses like Tridents and B7TL's still in service.
That will change as the first of the new BYD/ADL E400EV batch (of which there are 170 of them on order) for NXWM is due to enter service next week out of Perry Barr depot. Basically means if National Express want to reach its full zero emissions fleet by 2030 it will need over 1000 new buses to be ordered and delivered in just 6 years for that to happen.
This is one of the reasons I don’t believe the 2030 deadline will ever be met in London. There is just far too many buses to built for London let alone the rest of country. The only way it might happen is if there is a massive influx of buses like BYD from China. Not sure of the numbers but there must still be several thousands buses needed in London and that’s not even taken into account replacing older electric buses that will be getting older as we approach 2030. A very novel solution could be to award existing EV routes with new vehicles as we have seen with the 360 & 444. This could allow older vehicles to indirectly replace diesels and hybrids on other routes. Similar to how routes were awarded with hybrids but in this case it would only be EV routes. Routes that have come up naturally like the 212 and 357 could be new awards but have their older vehicles used to convert other routes temporarily. Although TfL would probably have to help operators meet costs of additional charger installation.
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2024 8:47:52 GMT
But so do gas residential boilers and cooker/ovens ... but no-one is worried about them! It seems there is a blinkered view of pollution in the UK, and reducing motoring pollution will save the world ... it won't, when other pollutions are rising faster than the rate of fall of motoring pollutions. Captain Khan thinks he is the superhero Captain London ... when really he is the pantomime villain! Heat pumps, halogen hobs and air fryers are more likely to be found in updated and future homes. Very true, but noone is demonising the existing equipment like they are motoring. Double standards. Nonne is saying if you use a boiler in London you get charged/fined/scammed £5 per day.
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2024 9:03:15 GMT
Air Fryers are such cancerous things to use. I’m surprised it is becoming so popular not knowing the actual dangers of using them. I’ll always have a proper cooker. Is there any scientifically peer reviewed evidence to back this theory up? It is down to heating food to high temperatures and the creation of acrylamide. But other cooking techniques that involve high temperatures, roasting, baking, frying, toasting also produce acrylamide. Don't even think about eating toast other than the whitest of white if you are worried about this.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 22, 2024 9:24:33 GMT
Is there any scientifically peer reviewed evidence to back this theory up? It is down to heating food to high temperatures and the creation of acrylamide. But other cooking techniques that involve high temperatures, roasting, baking, frying, toasting also produce acrylamide. Don't even think about eating toast other than the whitest of white if you are worried about this. Yes, that sounds about right. Air fryers in that sense are no more dangerous than any other form of cooking and obviously have a large range of benefits themselves such as the lower cholesterol that is ingested from their use as there's a huge reduction in oil used. I'm not sure where this theory air fryers were cancer causing came from.
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Post by yunus on May 23, 2024 16:28:25 GMT
Excluding LTs could standards Hybrids not be simply converted to full-Electric? They have much smaller engines and already have batteries with an electric motor so could be easier?
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Post by redbus on May 23, 2024 17:38:26 GMT
Excluding LTs could standards Hybrids not be simply converted to full-Electric? They have much smaller engines and already have batteries with an electric motor so could be easier? Arguably you could convert serial hybrid buses to full electric by replacing the diesel engine with batteries. That would cover most of the Alexander Dennis Hybrids and also the LTs but would not cover buses on the Volvo chassis (Wrightbus, a few Alexander Dennis and MCV). Having said that the conversion of LT11 to full electric resulted in the replacement of the whole drivetrain which means that any bus could be converted including pure diesels subject to any weight constraints of the batteries.
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