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Post by LJ17THF on Apr 19, 2021 10:18:45 GMT
I was wondering what happened to them. Nice to see it's in good hands.
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Post by snowman on May 9, 2021 5:41:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 8:21:48 GMT
I don’t think it will, Scania don’t produce any full integral right hand drive vehicles anymore but they might produce a chassis or engine for someone else if the demand is there.
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Post by SILENCED on May 9, 2021 8:58:23 GMT
I don’t think it will, Scania don’t produce any full integral right hand drive vehicles anymore but they might produce a chassis or engine for someone else if the demand is there. They reintroduced the production of integral RHD coaches, so never say never.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 9, 2021 23:02:03 GMT
I don’t think it will, Scania don’t produce any full integral right hand drive vehicles anymore but they might produce a chassis or engine for someone else if the demand is there. They reintroduced the production of integral RHD coaches, so never say never. Would imagine if it's a case of the demand justifying it, the Chinese here have heavily monopolised the market in London with BYDs and out of London with BYDs and Yutongs so it could be very risky to go in and compete with two established manufacturers. On the flip side, monopolies or duopolies are never good for the market so I wouldn't be surprised to see operators welcome Scania.
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Post by adl on May 10, 2021 4:17:43 GMT
They reintroduced the production of integral RHD coaches, so never say never. Would imagine if it's a case of the demand justifying it, the Chinese here have heavily monopolised the market in London with BYDs and out of London with BYDs and Yutongs so it could be very risky to go in and compete with two established manufacturers. On the flip side, monopolies or duopolies are never good for the market so I wouldn't be surprised to see operators welcome Scania. Some operators maybe, a few years ago I would've totally agreed but I feel a lot of companies now are looking to standardise their fleets which is operationally going to benefit them. Operators like Stagecoach and RATP I think will stick with ADL/BYD, I think Go-Ahead will likely become quite standardised, I know they ordered Me's for the 200 but wasn't that due to the 200 being unable to take the 10.9m BYD/ADL? Metroline and Tower Transit probably would be likely to explore more since their current fleet is very mix match and don't seem to have made any attempts to standardise.
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Post by snowman on May 10, 2021 4:45:14 GMT
Would imagine if it's a case of the demand justifying it, the Chinese here have heavily monopolised the market in London with BYDs and out of London with BYDs and Yutongs so it could be very risky to go in and compete with two established manufacturers. On the flip side, monopolies or duopolies are never good for the market so I wouldn't be surprised to see operators welcome Scania. Some operators maybe, a few years ago I would've totally agreed but I feel a lot of companies now are looking to standardise their fleets which is operationally going to benefit them. Operators like Stagecoach and RATP I think will stick with ADL/BYD, I think Go-Ahead will likely become quite standardised, I know they ordered Me's for the 200 but wasn't that due to the 200 being unable to take the 10.9m BYD/ADL? Metroline and Tower Transit probably would be likely to explore more since their current fleet is very mix match and don't seem to have made any attempts to standardise. But it’s not just London, pre Covid companies like Stagecoach were regularly buying 100+ Scania chassis buses per year, then there are all those Scania biogas chassis buses in cities like Bristol. Probably been supplying 4-5 chassis per week to UK. Not enormous, but probably a sufficient size to not want to lose that market share as buses move to zero emission It’s fairly clear from the TfL fleet audit report age profile that going to need to be something like 60 new buses per month in London from late 2022 to 2025, and nationally (per DfT stats) London is around 28% of UK bus fleet. So potentially could be around 200+ new buses each month in UK (especially if Government is throwing zero emission grants around). Until now 30 zero emission busses a month is about the highest UK has managed to build.
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Post by adl on May 10, 2021 5:22:01 GMT
Some operators maybe, a few years ago I would've totally agreed but I feel a lot of companies now are looking to standardise their fleets which is operationally going to benefit them. Operators like Stagecoach and RATP I think will stick with ADL/BYD, I think Go-Ahead will likely become quite standardised, I know they ordered Me's for the 200 but wasn't that due to the 200 being unable to take the 10.9m BYD/ADL? Metroline and Tower Transit probably would be likely to explore more since their current fleet is very mix match and don't seem to have made any attempts to standardise. But it’s not just London, pre Covid companies like Stagecoach were regularly buying 100+ Scania chassis buses per year, then there are all those Scania biogas chassis buses in cities like Bristol. Probably been supplying 4-5 chassis per week to UK. Not enormous, but probably a sufficient size to not want to lose that market share as buses move to zero emission It’s fairly clear from the TfL fleet audit report age profile that going to need to be something like 60 new buses per month in London from late 2022 to 2025, and nationally (per DfT stats) London is around 28% of UK bus fleet. So potentially could be around 200+ new buses each month in UK (especially if Government is throwing zero emission grants around). Until now 30 zero emission busses a month is about the highest UK has managed to build. I can totally see non-London companies jumping on the Scania band wagon but I can't see many operators in London having many electric types, if delivery times force their hand then maybe but I think companies are understanding this especially ADL/BYD which is to build a factory specifically for its electric range in the UK whereas Switch only have one factory and the delivery times are likely to continue to be late if the past is anything to go by, now that isn't a bash at Switch, they're doing their best with what they have but I think that it'll be a case of ADL/ BYD first with them being purchased from if there isn't a BYD product that can do the route / ADL is too busy to take on work at the time although Tower Transit may be a operator that souly goes for Switch. I think we will see a similar result in single deckers whereby some operators may choose a different first choice like Tower Transit may go for the Optare Metrocity and Abellio the Caetaro but I think most of the fleet in other operators will be the E200 EV unless again delivery times and/or the route being unsuitable. These are obviously my own predictions and by no means am I saying I am correct just thought I'd share my view on the subject.
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Post by SILENCED on May 14, 2021 18:38:18 GMT
I don’t think it will, Scania don’t produce any full integral right hand drive vehicles anymore but they might produce a chassis or engine Ford someone else if the demand is there. Do you want to change your mind ... something is brewing scaniafencer.co.uk
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Post by galwhv69 on May 14, 2021 18:42:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 19:02:35 GMT
I don’t think it will, Scania don’t produce any full integral right hand drive vehicles anymore but they might produce a chassis or engine Ford someone else if the demand is there. Do you want to change your mind ... something is brewing scaniafencer.co.ukNot really, as when I wrote that Scania weren’t producing integrals for the UK market and it clearly won’t be the Citywide. We’ll find out in a couple of days if there has been a reverse in the decision or if it is just another chassis for the UK coach market. Until then, save your holier than thou attitudes for someone else.
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Post by SILENCED on May 14, 2021 19:44:17 GMT
Not really, as when I wrote that Scania weren’t producing integrals for the UK market and it clearly won’t be the Citywide. We’ll find out in a couple of days if there has been a reverse in the decision or if it is just another chassis for the UK coach market. Until then, save your holier than thou attitudes for someone else. It is very much a bus, there is a photo of the Scania Fencer on the Polish version of Scania site.
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Post by sp17 on May 14, 2021 21:18:19 GMT
Not really, as when I wrote that Scania weren’t producing integrals for the UK market and it clearly won’t be the Citywide. We’ll find out in a couple of days if there has been a reverse in the decision or if it is just another chassis for the UK coach market. Until then, save your holier than thou attitudes for someone else. Sorry but I just don’t see how this offended you if anything the original comment was made in jest.
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Post by RM5chris on May 15, 2021 12:11:02 GMT
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Post by dlroper on May 15, 2021 21:48:17 GMT
I think we need to move back onto topic please.
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