Narrow Way Hackney Consultation

[ServerKing]

Apr 27, 2013 7:07:52 GMT 52000 said:

Just a very bad idea, extend the D6 to that bus station (can we even call it that?) in Dalston Junction?

You mean that expensive bus stand they made by the station that only one route (488 IIRC) uses to turn in?

[DT 11]

Cutting the D6 to Dead Grove is not going to be a good idea.

The 106 & 254 will probably take all the passengers, will also mean interchanging etc at Dead Grove. IMO the D6 could have at least been diverted to Essex Road with the 56 so it still serves Hackney.

[DT 11]

Also Narrow Way reduces traffic along the new proposed road is so it reduces the amount cars in the other direction.

Councils need to stop making such idiotic decisions.

[Volvo]

I have heard alot of residenents kicking up stink about this

[snoggle]

Jun 8, 2013 7:55:57 GMT DT 11 said:

Also Narrow Way reduces traffic along the new proposed road is so it reduces the amount cars in the other direction.

Councils need to stop making such idiotic decisions.

If we take a small step back then you realise we have two policies in conflict. Narrow Way can jam solid with buses - do we have too many buses in Hackney? The Council presumably support public transport in Hackney but they won't support having their own "red bus wall" and all the fumes in the main shopping street. Therefore they want a traffic free Narrow Way. The only way to find out if it works is to do a trial which is being done. I suspect the traffic will be horrendous for a week or so and then it will calm down. I don't think the D6 change is sustainable in the medium to long term. With my cynical hat on I do wonder if the curtailment of the D6 has been done to cause some negative reaction. I am really surprised an alternative stand cannot be found in Clapton garage. I know there are loads of 38 and 253 movements an hour but I wonder if Arriva are not playing ball? Are there not some other garages (Catford?) when "non native" buses can still turn?

I think that once this trial has started we can forget about buses returning to Narrow Way. There'll be a "survey" which says people love having a bus free Narrow Way and that's it done. Once you let the Genie out of the bottle you can't put it back.

[Deleted]

Buses becoming collateral damage in politician's vanity schemes again. First Bromley, now Hackney.

[DT 11]

Jun 8, 2013 9:45:19 GMT snoggle said:

Jun 8, 2013 7:55:57 GMT DT 11 said:

Also Narrow Way reduces traffic along the new proposed road is so it reduces the amount cars in the other direction.

Councils need to stop making such idiotic decisions.

If we take a small step back then you realise we have two policies in conflict. Narrow Way can jam solid with buses - do we have too many buses in Hackney? The Council presumably support public transport in Hackney but they won't support having their own "red bus wall" and all the fumes in the main shopping street. Therefore they want a traffic free Narrow Way. The only way to find out if it works is to do a trial which is being done. I suspect the traffic will be horrendous for a week or so and then it will calm down. I don't think the D6 change is sustainable in the medium to long term. With my cynical hat on I do wonder if the curtailment of the D6 has been done to cause some negative reaction. I am really surprised an alternative stand cannot be found in Clapton garage. I know there are loads of 38 and 253 movements an hour but I wonder if Arriva are not playing ball? Are there not some other garages (Catford?) when "non native" buses can still turn?

I think that once this trial has started we can forget about buses returning to Narrow Way. There'll be a "survey" which says people love having a bus free Narrow Way and that's it done. Once you let the Genie out of the bottle you can't put it back.

Catford Garage only stand 47, 171 & 199, before that the 160.

[greeny253]

Having now read through this proposal, I have to say I agree with one comments in there. Cutting the D6 that much is gonna have a detrimental effect on the loadings on the 277 - be interesting to see how this goes.

Removing the D6 between Ash Grove and Hackney Central just means we'll pick up the fallout. And trust me when I say that if the 277 infront is going for it, the poor mug behind on a double headway gets seriously busy!

[snoggle]

Official TfL response is here. As suspected it would cost too much to run the D6 though Hackney to a stand further on.

Interesting that there are some quite divergent opinions about the value or not of making Narrow Way traffic free.

[joefrombow]

It is ridiculous cutting the D6 to Ash Grove makes no sense whatsoever , it's practically in the middle of the main catchment areas of bethnal green and hackney , however on a lighter note I take it this means the remainder of the route will be more frequent now around every 5 - 6 minutes ??

[snoggle]

Jun 12, 2013 19:24:34 GMT joefrombow said:

It is ridiculous cutting the D6 to Ash Grove makes no sense whatsoever , it's practically in the middle of the main catchment areas of bethnal green and hackney , however on a lighter note I take it this means the remainder of the route will be more frequent now around every 5 - 6 minutes ??

I don't think it will be more frequent. TfL will have negotiated a saving from GAL and that money will go towards funding the extra PVRs that are needed on all the routes that will be diverted and slowed down by running via Amhurst Road.

[Late Again]

Jun 12, 2013 19:45:12 GMT snoggle said:

Jun 12, 2013 19:24:34 GMT joefrombow said:

It is ridiculous cutting the D6 to Ash Grove makes no sense whatsoever , it's practically in the middle of the main catchment areas of bethnal green and hackney , however on a lighter note I take it this means the remainder of the route will be more frequent now around every 5 - 6 minutes ??

I don't think it will be more frequent. TfL will have negotiated a saving from GAL and that money will go towards funding the extra PVRs that are needed on all the routes that will be diverted and slowed down by running via Amhurst Road.

But there must be at least 2 buses cut from the PVR of the D6. What will happen with them and the drivers that go with them.

[Deleted]

An expensive scheme that'll add journey times to transport users and add costs to bus operation - must be a record negative benefit-cost ratio. Unsurprisingly there's quite a lot of concern about the curtailment of the D6 and predictably they decided to go ahead with the proposals anyway.

[DT 11]

Jun 12, 2013 19:49:04 GMT Late Again said:

Jun 12, 2013 19:45:12 GMT snoggle said:

I don't think it will be more frequent. TfL will have negotiated a saving from GAL and that money will go towards funding the extra PVRs that are needed on all the routes that will be diverted and slowed down by running via Amhurst Road.

But there must be at least 2 buses cut from the PVR of the D6. What will happen with them and the drivers that go with them.

The Drivers may probably transfer elsewhere within the Garage.

[Trident]

Jun 12, 2013 19:56:32 GMT @nct said:

An expensive scheme that'll add journey times to transport users and add costs to bus operation - must be a record negative benefit-cost ratio. Unsurprisingly there's quite a lot of concern about the curtailment of the D6 and predictably they decided to go ahead with the proposals anyway.

I've always thought it would be better sending the route further up to Clapton, even if it adds uneccessary amount of buses heading between Clapton and Hackney. But the plus side would be maintaining the link from Hackney into the Docklands. From tomorrow the only bus direct to the Docklands from Hackney Central would now be the 277, yet this route only serves Canary Wharf and the Northern End of it.