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Post by snoggle on Jul 29, 2013 22:19:51 GMT
Wouldn't believe that just yet as the results haven't been announced from TFLs consultation nor has it even closed yet although we all know it is likely to go ahead regardless.... Surely this just shows that the consultation process in this instance is a foregone conclusion? Surrey CC haven't conjured this info out of nowhere - doesn't it just reflect what Abellio have submitted to VOSA to reflect the revised timetable that will apply for what is a cross boundary service? The date might slip I suppose but I doubt Abellio would have submitted a change if they had not already agreed a contract change with TfL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 15:56:34 GMT
This route needs bigger buses. The only trunk route linking Feltham and Hounslow , although the 117 takes the more direct route !
Maybe the 117 & 235 could be swapped between feltham and hounslow heath.
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Post by l1group on Aug 10, 2013 14:57:34 GMT
This route needs bigger buses. The only trunk route linking Feltham and Hounslow , although the 117 takes the more direct route ! Maybe the 117 & 235 could be swapped between feltham and hounslow heath. Not sure about the swap, doesn't make too much difference between Feltham and H'slow Hth. 235 needing bigger buses? I don't think loadings are that heavy enough off peak, but peaks, I do know it might need supplements, like the 117 to be more frequent or to extend the E8 to Hounslow. And the 235 had bigger buses in earlier days, when it was the 237! Ironic now that the original 237 is mostly run by 235 now!
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 10, 2013 16:05:42 GMT
This route needs bigger buses. The only trunk route linking Feltham and Hounslow , although the 117 takes the more direct route ! Maybe the 117 & 235 could be swapped between feltham and hounslow heath. Not sure about the swap, doesn't make too much difference between Feltham and H'slow Hth. 235 needing bigger buses? I don't think loadings are that heavy enough off peak, but peaks, I do know it might need supplements, like the 117 to be more frequent or to extend the E8 to Hounslow. And the 235 had bigger buses in earlier days, when it was the 237! Ironic now that the original 237 is mostly run by 235 now! Don't think there are many outer London routes that really need deckers off-peak, so that argument means most routes would be single deck. I certainly think the peak loadings do show that bigger buses are required, look at how packed the 117/235 are towards Sunbury when they leave Hounslow.
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Post by l1group on Aug 10, 2013 17:39:39 GMT
Not sure about the swap, doesn't make too much difference between Feltham and H'slow Hth. 235 needing bigger buses? I don't think loadings are that heavy enough off peak, but peaks, I do know it might need supplements, like the 117 to be more frequent or to extend the E8 to Hounslow. And the 235 had bigger buses in earlier days, when it was the 237! Ironic now that the original 237 is mostly run by 235 now! Don't think there are many outer London routes that really need deckers off-peak, so that argument means most routes would be single deck. I certainly think the peak loadings do show that bigger buses are required, look at how packed the 117/235 are towards Sunbury when they leave Hounslow. Thus increase the frequency of 117? 235 - I'd say you could put bigger, 12m buses like 203/H37 (anyone for LU winning 235 eventually?) - But what does that do to the extension at Brentford Great West Quarter.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 11, 2013 16:19:56 GMT
Don't think there are many outer London routes that really need deckers off-peak, so that argument means most routes would be single deck. I certainly think the peak loadings do show that bigger buses are required, look at how packed the 117/235 are towards Sunbury when they leave Hounslow. Thus increase the frequency of 117? 235 - I'd say you could put bigger, 12m buses like 203/H37 (anyone for LU winning 235 eventually?) - But what does that do to the extension at Brentford Great West Quarter. Exactly, no point swapping the 117 & 235, just increase the frequency on the 117 and a lot of the problems would be solved.....Not sure how 12m buses would get on around the Sunbury Village terminus (its very tight round the one way bit) better off double decking it and reducing the frequency slightly
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Post by l1group on Aug 11, 2013 16:54:45 GMT
Thus increase the frequency of 117? 235 - I'd say you could put bigger, 12m buses like 203/H37 (anyone for LU winning 235 eventually?) - But what does that do to the extension at Brentford Great West Quarter. Exactly, no point swapping the 117 & 235, just increase the frequency on the 117 and a lot of the problems would be solved.....Not sure how 12m buses would get on around the Sunbury Village terminus (its very tight round the one way bit) better off double decking it and reducing the frequency slightly That could happen, the only reason why I said 12m is that demand is questionable for dd, yet then again, cross London border routes like 498, 405 have been double decked at low frequencies.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 11, 2013 19:22:51 GMT
Exactly, no point swapping the 117 & 235, just increase the frequency on the 117 and a lot of the problems would be solved.....Not sure how 12m buses would get on around the Sunbury Village terminus (its very tight round the one way bit) better off double decking it and reducing the frequency slightly That could happen, the only reason why I said 12m is that demand is questionable for dd, yet then again, cross London border routes like 498, 405 have been double decked at low frequencies. The 235 for the most part is in Greater London, only a small-ish section runs beyond the boundary. Even though it runs every 12 mins on Sundays, it's still packed (even the 10.8m Darts) so I argue it needs double deckers. Ex. C3 plus a handful of extra Tridents would be okay until the next tender, when E400s are more likely to be available.
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Post by su31 on Sept 6, 2013 16:37:45 GMT
According to the TfL website bus updates, the extension will start on 12th October. "Extended from Brentford to North Brentford, Great West Quarter via Brentford High Street and Ealing Road." Although there are still the odd few E200's running around with the new blinds.
On a separate note, I've lived (until recently) in Feltham for a long time, and witness the (x20 minute)117's always standing, full in both directions, and the more frequent 235 busy most of the time, so I think that a combination of longer or double-decked vehicles would definitely help although I'm not in favour of reducing frequencies to accomodate this.
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Post by Mokujin on Sept 6, 2013 17:56:53 GMT
According to the TfL website bus updates, the extension will start on 12th October. "Extended from Brentford to North Brentford, Great West Quarter via Brentford High Street and Ealing Road." Although there are still the odd few E200's running around with the new blinds. On a separate note, I've lived (until recently) in Feltham for a long time, and witness the (x20 minute)117's always standing, full in both directions, and the more frequent 235 busy most of the time, so I think that a combination of longer or double-decked vehicles would definitely help although I'm not in favour of reducing frequencies to accomodate this. I think WS should borrow TF a Trident and test it on the 235 and see whether DDs can solve it's problems.
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Post by l1group on Sept 6, 2013 18:28:20 GMT
According to the TfL website bus updates, the extension will start on 12th October. "Extended from Brentford to North Brentford, Great West Quarter via Brentford High Street and Ealing Road." Although there are still the odd few E200's running around with the new blinds. On a separate note, I've lived (until recently) in Feltham for a long time, and witness the (x20 minute)117's always standing, full in both directions, and the more frequent 235 busy most of the time, so I think that a combination of longer or double-decked vehicles would definitely help although I'm not in favour of reducing frequencies to accomodate this. I think WS should borrow TF a Trident and test it on the 235 and see whether DDs can solve it's problems. The 635 uses dds already, so the only problem is the demand. That'll probably be not a problem...
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Post by Hassaan on Sept 6, 2013 18:32:52 GMT
I think WS should borrow TF a Trident and test it on the 235 and see whether DDs can solve it's problems. The 635 uses dds already, so the only problem is the demand. That'll probably be not a problem... I have a feeling we are in that chronically overcrowded situation because TfL and/or Surrey CC don't want to fund any increases, or can't come to an agreement over funding, or possibly something else altogether. Note: This is speculation, I have no proof regarding the exact situaton.2000 posts ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Jack on Sept 6, 2013 18:40:49 GMT
The plates are already up on the 65 bus stops for the 235
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Post by l1group on Sept 6, 2013 18:54:26 GMT
The plates are already up on the 65 bus stops for the 235 I went past there two hours ago and didn't notice them! That's odd!
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Post by Hassaan on Nov 4, 2013 10:31:07 GMT
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