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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 16:25:10 GMT
This is a thread to see what you guys would like to add at around the Lower Sydenham like a new bus route or a existing bus route extended to the area
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 10, 2013 17:16:55 GMT
202 Double decked
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 7:13:15 GMT
I agree 202 on DD's
Some routes extended and new ones
Everything about lower sydenham should go to this thread
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Post by Connor on Aug 11, 2013 11:10:25 GMT
May I ask what's so special about Lower Sydenham that warrants the area it it's own thread?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2013 12:18:49 GMT
I agree 202 on DD's Some routes extended and new ones What are these routes and your reasons why you'd extend or create them? |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 11, 2013 12:45:19 GMT
I agree 202 on DD's Some routes extended and new ones What are these routes and your reasons why you'd extend or create them? No routes need to be extended or modified IMO. The Bell Green retail park is not a major opening like Stratford City. The only thing I think should be done is for the 202 to be double decked. The main idea of the Bell Green retail park is for people to bring their cars. Bell Green is well served by bus routes currently. I think a very useful link would be 172 to Lower Sydenham via Waldram Park Road and & Route 356. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2013 13:27:12 GMT
What are these routes and your reasons why you'd extend or create them? No routes need to be extended or modified IMO. The Bell Green retail park is not a major opening like Stratford City. The only thing I think should be done is for the 202 to be double decked. The main idea of the Bell Green retail park is for people to bring their cars. Bell Green is well served by bus routes currently. I think a very useful link would be 172 to Lower Sydenham via Waldram Park Road and & Route 356. Agree with decking the 202 like many others but I do have one other change I listed elsewhere that would affect Lower Sydenham. Route 322: Diverted in West Norwood via West Norwood one way system, Gypsy Road meeting the current 322 at St. Gothards Road. Extend it from Crystal Palace to Lower Sydenham via the 450 but not serving the Fountain Drive area. Route 450: Diverted in Crystal Palace & extended to Loughborough Jubction via College Road, Dulwich Wood Park, South Croxted Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Norwood Road, Herne Hill & Milkwood Road. Route 315: Extended to Crystal Palace via Robson Road, Park Hall Road, Rosendale Road, Tritton Road, Vale Street, St. Gothards Road, Gypsy Road, Dulwich Wood Park, Kingswood Drive, College Road, Fountain Drive & Crystal Palace Park Parade. Lower Sydenham receives new links east of Crystal Palace and the 322 can use long single deckers or even deckers now it's moved away from the narrow streets around St. Gothards Road. The 315 takes over the 322's section along the narrow streets which it's MPD's are ideal for and the 450 creates more new links and also opens up roads that have not been served by buses for a long while. The 450 won't be missed between Lower Sydenham & Crystal Palace as people from Lower Sydenham get off at Palace & people from West Croydon get off at Palace as well. I accept the 450 extension is a bit long but it does run down roads which aren't busy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:07:58 GMT
Sunday service on the 352
I use the 202 most days, always get a seat, that's travelling between Sydenham and Lee.
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Post by Paul on Aug 11, 2013 16:20:18 GMT
What are these routes and your reasons why you'd extend or create them? No routes need to be extended or modified IMO I think I agree with this. The new retail park won't really attract much in the way of bus passenger traffic. How many people will buy a couple of bags of cement or a new door at B&Q and take them home on the bus? And for those buying toys at Toys R Us, the current service levels are more than adequate. I think there are much more pressing concerns on the network than restructuring services in the Bell Green area and I say that as someone who lives just down the road. The only things mentioned here so far that I agree with are things that probably should be done regardless of the new retail park; namely decking the 202 and introducing a Sunday service on the 352 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:46:37 GMT
What are these routes and your reasons why you'd extend or create them? No routes need to be extended or modified IMO. The Bell Green retail park is not a major opening like Stratford City. The only thing I think should be done is for the 202 to be double decked. The main idea of the Bell Green retail park is for people to bring their cars. Bell Green is well served by bus routes currently. I think a very useful link would be 172 to Lower Sydenham via Waldram Park Road and & Route 356. Disagree with the 172 extension, partly because the 172 is a route I rely very heavily on - as a lot of people in my area do. What currently acts as a much faster and more reliable alternative to the 171 would probably fall back into the unreliability that it used to suffer. The service has recently been sorted out with an extra bus on the schedule, which is probably why it's doing well at the moment. I wouldn't be too happy if I was constantly late for work cause all of the buses were stuck in Forest Hill! |
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 11, 2013 21:30:25 GMT
The only things mentioned here so far that I agree with are things that probably should be done regardless of the new retail park; namely decking the 202 and introducing a Sunday service on the 352 Do the passenger numbers on the route justify it though? It primarily passes through areas where most of the households seem to have a car and from observation only, it often runs with less than 10 people per trip at off peak times. In a month or so it'll actually be my job to consider this sort of thing  |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2013 1:00:04 GMT
No routes need to be extended or modified IMO I think I agree with this. The new retail park won't really attract much in the way of bus passenger traffic. How many people will buy a couple of bags of cement or a new door at B&Q and take them home on the bus? And for those buying toys at Toys R Us, the current service levels are more than adequate. I think there are much more pressing concerns on the network than restructuring services in the Bell Green area and I say that as someone who lives just down the road. The only things mentioned here so far that I agree with are things that probably should be done regardless of the new retail park; namely decking the 202 and introducing a Sunday service on the 352 To be fair, my ideas are not centred on what's going on at Bell Green - I only chose to remove the 450 with the 322 as 450 passengers from Lower Sydenham go as far as Crystal Palace and ones from West Croydon go as far as Palace. I suppose this is down to the 194 serving both West Croydon & Sydenham possibly meaning end to end passengers using that route instead. The 322 would offer an east to west link across Crystal Palace and could be quite useful. |
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Post by moz on Aug 12, 2013 17:46:58 GMT
Quite a lot happening in south London so far as redevelopment is concerned. Bell Green is just one such place, you also have the new Lidl opening at Crown Point, various new residential developments around Beulah Hill and the residential complex/Tesco on the Streatham Hub site.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 12, 2013 17:49:19 GMT
May I ask what's so special about Lower Sydenham that warrants the area it it's own thread? they could bulldoze the area and start over  |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 12, 2013 18:16:50 GMT
Quite a lot happening in south London so far as redevelopment is concerned. Bell Green is just one such place, you also have the new Lidl opening at Crown Point, various new residential developments around Beulah Hill and the residential complex/Tesco on the Streatham Hub site. Moz Merton High Street has had a bit of a refurbishment along the road, curbs and street lighting. The South Wimbledon side of it looks slightly wider and part of adjoining Pincott Road has had the first two 1970s lampposts refurbished with energy saving bulbs (The rest of the lamps is still as it was from the 70s). |
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