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Post by snoggle on Sept 7, 2013 16:21:47 GMT
It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it. My understanding is that out of london, the 'terms and conditions' of travel state that buggys must be folded if the space is needed by a wheelchair? I haven't heard that but I'm not disagreeing. The difference, of course, is that private operators will set their own Conditions of Carriage and they are not politically accountable. TfL are, of course, accountable to the Mayor who is subject to political pressure through the ballot box.
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Post by rambo on Sept 7, 2013 16:26:18 GMT
It's all got a bit silly.
I had a woman a few months back who wanted to get on with a buggy, but the wheelchair space was full with shopping trolleys. The buggy user said "thats MY space".
Maybe TFL need to do more to let wheelchair users know that the space is '1st come 1st served. The bloke in the video certainly needs telling!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 7:16:35 GMT
It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it. My understanding is that out of london, the 'terms and conditions' of travel state that buggys must be folded if the space is needed by a wheelchair? I don't think so, some people cannot fold their buggy as its full of shopping, sleeping kids etc and you cannot just order them off the bus
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Post by jay38a on Sept 8, 2013 9:43:09 GMT
It's all got a bit silly. Maybe TFL need to do more to let wheelchair users know that the space is '1st come 1st served. The bloke in the video certainly needs telling!!! The conditions of travel still seem to go completely against this view, saying wheelchair users have priority over this space as its the only safe place that they can travel. Plus this new campaign which is going up on bus stops and on buses seems to go against this too. So really it should be TFL making things the same in all areas and not telling the drivers one thing and the passengers something else.
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Post by rambo on Sept 8, 2013 11:53:19 GMT
My understanding is that out of london, the 'terms and conditions' of travel state that buggys must be folded if the space is needed by a wheelchair? I don't think so, some people cannot fold their buggy as its full of shopping, sleeping kids etc and you cannot just order them off the bus What you mean is 'some people WON'T fold thier buggy. Ive never come accross a buggy that cannot be folded.
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Post by jay38a on Sept 8, 2013 12:30:22 GMT
My understanding is that out of london, the 'terms and conditions' of travel state that buggys must be folded if the space is needed by a wheelchair? I don't think so, some people cannot fold their buggy as its full of shopping, sleeping kids etc and you cannot just order them off the bus All buggys can be folded, it's whether they can be bothered to do it. There are a few companies outside London who say what buggys can be carried and what ones can't. When I was young if you had shopping and buggy you had to walk or fold it up and people would help you, so what's the difference now, its just people being plain eyed lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 15:32:38 GMT
What you mean is 'some people WON'T fold thier buggy. Ive never come accross a buggy that cannot be folded. Can't or won't.........it makes no difference really. Either ban all unfolded buggies or its first come first served
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 9, 2013 4:48:12 GMT
I had this situation happen to me quite a few times when travelling with my disabled son, it's out of order, but it always ends up as you versus the facety baby momma who don't want to fold the buggy... Can't help noticing the guy in the 'wheelchair' on the youtube vid could walk a little to get on the bus and confront the driver... I understand the driver's standpoint, there's no point leaving the cab and getting into any arguments... They can put all the stickers in the world on the buses telling people to move but it's not enforced. All buggies should be folded, esp. in the case of toddlers who can walk or sit on a lap.
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Post by snowman on Sept 26, 2013 19:23:35 GMT
A Court in Leeds has decided that a wheelchair user who couldn't get on because a buggy wasn't moved although the driver asked them to move should get £5500. It appears to be the first case so until another goes to court it appears to indicate the amount of compensation. I assume the bus Operator pays the wheelchair user rather than driver but that isn't specified wheelchair compensation
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Post by rambo on Sept 26, 2013 20:27:50 GMT
A Court in Leeds has decided that a wheelchair user who couldn't get on because a buggy wasn't moved although the driver asked them to move should get £5500. It appears to be the first case so until another goes to court it appears to indicate the amount of compensation. I assume the bus Operator pays the wheelchair user rather than driver but that isn't specified wheelchair compensationThat is very very interesting and opens a whole can of worms.........................
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Post by snoggle on Sept 26, 2013 22:36:06 GMT
A Court in Leeds has decided that a wheelchair user who couldn't get on because a buggy wasn't moved although the driver asked them to move should get £5500. It appears to be the first case so until another goes to court it appears to indicate the amount of compensation. I assume the bus Operator pays the wheelchair user rather than driver but that isn't specified wheelchair compensationGoodness me - that's a potential landmark judgement if it remains unchallenged. I suspect First may well decide to appeal the decision as it has potentially dire consequences for bus operation. If it was to stand then TfL face some interesting potential challenges given the more vocal and politically connected disability lobbyists in London.
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Post by rambo on Sept 26, 2013 22:55:23 GMT
If this court case stands, what would be interesting is if it happend in london, who pays the compo, TFL or the operator. IMO, i'd like to see the case stand.
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Post by rambo on Sept 26, 2013 22:55:59 GMT
If this court case stands, what would be interesting is if it happend in london, who pays the compo, TFL or the operator. IMO, i'd like to see the case stand.
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Post by rambo on Sept 26, 2013 22:56:22 GMT
If this court case stands, what would be interesting is if it happend in london, who pays the compo, TFL or the operator. IMO, i'd like to see the case stand.
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 27, 2013 3:08:50 GMT
A Court in Leeds has decided that a wheelchair user who couldn't get on because a buggy wasn't moved although the driver asked them to move should get £5500. It appears to be the first case so until another goes to court it appears to indicate the amount of compensation. I assume the bus Operator pays the wheelchair user rather than driver but that isn't specified wheelchair compensationWow! £5000 just because he couldn't get on a bus But im in agreement with rambo in that I would also like to see the case stand. If tfl were forced to enforce this on all operators then it would make the job a little more interesting
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