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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 9:22:08 GMT
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 6, 2013 10:00:24 GMT
Wheelchairs have more priority than any prams. It is even stated on the information stickers on the buses.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 6, 2013 12:07:09 GMT
Wheelchairs have more priority than any prams. It is even stated on the information stickers on the buses. In theory, yes. In practice, its frequently the cause of much arguing and screaming, and often the wheelchair user is the loser, sadly.
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Post by rambo on Sept 6, 2013 22:07:45 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours.
But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space.
Want to end the rows?
All buggys folded at ALL times.
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Post by rambo on Sept 6, 2013 22:09:47 GMT
Wheelchairs have more priority than any prams. It is even stated on the information stickers on the buses. Only if there are no buggys on and there is a buggy and a wheelchair at the same stop, then the wheelchair gets priority.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Sept 6, 2013 22:40:15 GMT
Buggies are a lot more flexible than wheelchair users, as most buggies are foldable but only some wheelchairs are foldable.
Surely the point of a fully accessible bus network is that everyone can use it? If we're going to be arguing every time a wheelchair user wants to use a bus then we should either give wheelchair users/people with restricted mobility their own network (similar to Dial-a-Ride) or build buses with two areas (like some MPDs are laid out)
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 6, 2013 23:49:51 GMT
There was one occasion when I had to turn down a wheelchair user from boarding after I ask the two buggy users to fold their pram. They both refused. I then explained to the wheelchair user that I couldn't let them board. He started complaining about it but I simply told him that I can't force the buggy users off the bus as they have already paid their fare. And that was the end of it.
Im surprised that such a similar incident like in this video here lasts for over 8 minutes. A shame the sound quality is not great. I kind of got the impression that the bus driver loses control of the situation especially as the wheelchair user says that the driver is not doing his job. Also the buggy users said that the driver never spoke to them and it was only when the buggy users gave in then the rest of the passengers were able to continue on their journey.
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Post by londonbusboy on Sept 7, 2013 0:05:54 GMT
What i make from the video is it is a shame the buggy passengers got off the bus as they could have got a transfer ticket. It would be nice if buggy users could fold their buggies but in today's society that will not happen.
The other end of the stick is wheel chair users seem to think that the space is reserved especially for them. I believe it is first come first serve
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2013 0:56:27 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours. But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space. Want to end the rows? All buggys folded at ALL times. Completely agree with this. Not only they do decide that they are more important than wheelchair users but the buggys are sometimes far too big and become a fire hazard as they stick into the gangway.
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Post by rambo on Sept 7, 2013 3:48:37 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours. But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space. Want to end the rows? All buggys folded at ALL times. Completely agree with this. Not only they do decide that they are more important than wheelchair users but the buggys are sometimes far too big and become a fire hazard as they stick into the gangway. Been saying the same thing for years. IMO, if a buggy does not fit through the front doors and up the isle, it should be folded.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 7, 2013 10:46:17 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours. But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space. Want to end the rows? All buggys folded at ALL times. It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 10:59:18 GMT
There was one occasion when I had to turn down a wheelchair user from boarding after I ask the two buggy users to fold their pram. They both refused. I then explained to the wheelchair user that I couldn't let them board. He started complaining about it but I simply told him that I can't force the buggy users off the bus as they have already paid their fare. And that was the end of it. I've witnessed the same situation, the wheelchair user even threatened to call the police, but there is nothing else a driver can do in that situation
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2013 11:32:38 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours. But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space. Want to end the rows? All buggys folded at ALL times. It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it. Well if they want the disabled to feel included in regards to this situation, then legislation needs to change.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 7, 2013 14:27:39 GMT
It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it. Well if they want the disabled to feel included in regards to this situation, then legislation needs to change. The issue, though, is how do you write legislation that bans mothers from parking a buggy with a child in it on a space on a bus? Such legislation would be immediately challenged in law as it would be seen to contravene other law. The issue arises because there is a belief that anti discrimination legislation for the disabled means someone in a wheelchair has a right to board any accessible bus regardless of who is already on the bus. The legislation does not require operators to provide more than one space on vehicles built after a certain date nor does it mandate the behaviour required of other people. There is a presumption in law of reasonable behaviour by all of the parties but as is evident there are unreasonable able bodied people, unreasonable people in control of babies and buggies and unreasonable people in wheelchairs.
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Post by rambo on Sept 7, 2013 16:11:22 GMT
Must admit, the guy does himself no favours. But, it will keep happening, buggy users now feel it's 'thier' space. Want to end the rows? All buggys folded at ALL times. It's worth watching the Assembly Transport Committee webcast from July when Leon Daniels talked about the wheelchair / buggy area and the fact that TfL cannot compel buggy users to move out of the wheelchair area. I think TfL would like a "hard and fast" rule but the sense I got was the applicable legislation would not allow it. My understanding is that out of london, the 'terms and conditions' of travel state that buggys must be folded if the space is needed by a wheelchair?
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