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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2013 17:30:53 GMT
I seem to remember the 77 & 130's both had 'A,B & C' suffix routes. As a kid I remember so many version of the 77 through Mitcham, Streatham, Hackbridge, Wallington and Raynes Park. One of them is now the 156 renumbered. The 77C in recent years (1990s) was the school bus route from Clapham Junction to Putney Heath, though many SW drivers would often keep the blinds on 49 rather than wind it to the school route then back again. The 77C was operated with Routemasters until it was renumbered 670 IIRC. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2013 17:31:54 GMT
I seem to remember the 77 & 130's both had 'A,B & C' suffix routes. The 130C was the epress service. There was also a 194A B and C Did the 130C become the X30? |
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Post by snowman on Sept 24, 2013 18:18:56 GMT
Wasn't only low numbered routes, I think 224 also highest with A, B, C variants in West Drayton and Yiewsley
I know there was a 228C, but wasn't a 228B as A and C were anti-clockwise/clockwise loops
Might be wrong but I think the highest numbered B variant was 279B which went to Broxbourne Lido ?
Slightly off topic but there was a route from Kingston 215 which went out to Ripley or Downside Common (the current K3 is derived from it), but I think it was also used in Chingford area (and Lee Valley campsite) so might have some of the furthest apart termini (but alas not at same time), changing to K3 was gaining rather than dropping letter prefix
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2013 18:34:50 GMT
Wasn't only low numbered routes, I think 224 also highest with A, B, C variants in West Drayton and Yiewsley I know there was a 228C, but wasn't a 228B as A and C were anti-clockwise/clockwise loops Might be wrong but I think the highest numbered B variant was 279B which went to Broxbourne Lido ? Slightly off topic but there was a route from Kingston 215 which went out to Ripley or Downside Common (the current K3 is derived from it), but I think it was also used in Chingford area (and Lee Valley campsite) so might have some of the furthest apart termini (but alas not at same time), changing to K3 was gaining rather than dropping letter prefix There was a 310A & 310B - both started at Enfield & ran up to either Hertford & Ware alongside the current 310 which also used to run from Enfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 18:42:06 GMT
Another really interesting example is the 90 family of routes (90/A/B/C), though none lost their suffix for the same reason as the more recent expunging. From Londonbuses.co.uk, 90 - Kew Gardens - Staines (391-490-290) 90A - Kew Gardens - Heathrow (391-490) 90B - Kew Gardens - Yeading (391-490-90) 90C - Hammersmith - Staines (190-490-290 The 290 replaced the 90C Hammersmith - Richmond, subsequently replacing much of the 90 Richmond - Staines. The 190 later on mostly took over the Richmond - Hammersmith portion, and the 290 has ended up as Twickenham - Staines. The 190 Still includes the Richmond Hammersmith portion. The 90B later was renumbered as 90, and in 2007 was split at Feltham to create new route 490 Richmond - Hatton Cross, leaving the (new) 90 as Feltham - Northolt. The 490 later on extended to Heathrow, sharing an identical routing between Hatton + and Richmond as long abandoned 90A. There was a later 90A, but that ran only on Sundays between Yeading and Hammersmith. (I've left some small extensions and reroutings out of this btw!) I seem to remember the 77 & 130's both had 'A,B & C' suffix routes. Are you not confusing the 130 express routes with the C1-5? |
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 24, 2013 18:52:06 GMT
I seem to remember the 77 & 130's both had 'A,B & C' suffix routes. Are you not confusing the 130 express routes with the C1-5? If you look back historically, the 'C' group were once numbered in the 130's  |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 24, 2013 20:25:19 GMT
As a kid I remember so many version of the 77 through Mitcham, Streatham, Hackbridge, Wallington and Raynes Park. One of them is now the 156 renumbered. The 77C in recent years (1990s) was the school bus route from Clapham Junction to Putney Heath, though many SW drivers would often keep the blinds on 49 rather than wind it to the school route then back again. The 77C was operated with Routemasters until it was renumbered 670 IIRC. Metrobuses were used when I was working there prior to it being renumbered. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2013 20:46:38 GMT
The 77C was operated with Routemasters until it was renumbered 670 IIRC. Metrobuses were used when I was working there prior to it being renumbered. Ah right, I did see pic somewhere of one on the 77C a few years ago. EDIT: seems like it was an older 77C. I also found a pic on Flickr of a PVL blinded for the 77C in 2002. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 24, 2013 21:27:50 GMT
Wasn't only low numbered routes, I think 224 also highest with A, B, C variants in West Drayton and Yiewsley I know there was a 228C, but wasn't a 228B as A and C were anti-clockwise/clockwise loops Might be wrong but I think the highest numbered B variant was 279B which went to Broxbourne Lido ? Slightly off topic but there was a route from Kingston 215 which went out to Ripley or Downside Common (the current K3 is derived from it), but I think it was also used in Chingford area (and Lee Valley campsite) so might have some of the furthest apart termini (but alas not at same time), changing to K3 was gaining rather than dropping letter prefix I don't believe the 215s overlapped with each other. Looking at the London Bus Routes historical site shows the Kingston 215 died 18 months before the Walthamstow 215 started. The Yardley Lane service was previously part of a "U" shaped 212 service which had different coloured blinds depending on which destination it was serving across Walthamstow Central. The Yardley Lane service has had various numbers over the years - 276 and 278 I believe are two such variations. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2013 22:43:37 GMT
Wasn't only low numbered routes, I think 224 also highest with A, B, C variants in West Drayton and Yiewsley I know there was a 228C, but wasn't a 228B as A and C were anti-clockwise/clockwise loops Might be wrong but I think the highest numbered B variant was 279B which went to Broxbourne Lido ? Slightly off topic but there was a route from Kingston 215 which went out to Ripley or Downside Common (the current K3 is derived from it), but I think it was also used in Chingford area (and Lee Valley campsite) so might have some of the furthest apart termini (but alas not at same time), changing to K3 was gaining rather than dropping letter prefix Just thinking, there was two '2's' in London at the same time during the 90's: Route 2: Marylebone Station - Crystal Palace Route 2: Walthamstow Central - Southend Incidentally, on my 'All London Bus Map' of 1998, they left the Crystal Palace '2' out of the 'route description' section. |
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Post by eggmiester on Sept 24, 2013 22:56:11 GMT
I doubt it will happen as TFL have many internal numbers for other routes like coach services etc (700 series). The only real available block would be the 500 series.
Thing is Prefix routes were and are different to suffix routes. Prefix Routes are routes in their own right. Suffix routes were a deviation of their Trunk route counterpart, or used for specific journeys etc. Like the 77A in its day was a deviation of the 77 until various changes were made to both routes that the 77A became a route in its own right only becoming the 87 due to changes in east London that freed up the number 87. If not I would have suspected a 3 digit number in the 400 series may have been used.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 24, 2013 23:03:05 GMT
Route 12A was split into two routes. 312 Peckham to South Croydon Garage, 412 West Croydon Bus Station to Purley Old Lodge Lane.
The Sunday only 12B Peckham to Chipstead Valley I think is now covered by Route 166 from Croydon?
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Post by M1104 on Sept 25, 2013 1:19:30 GMT
Back in the 90's, we only had a few suffix routes left around Brixton & the surrounding area - the 45A became the 345 with an extension to Peckham in 1995, the 2A & 2B became the 2 when the original 2 was renumbered 322, extended to Crystal Palace from Rosendale Road & re-routed away from Victoria at Vauxhall to Elephant & the 137A which did the current N137 routing until the late 90's when it was chopped back from Oxford Circus to Clapham Common - not long after becoming the 417. I know the 68A became the 468  There was also the short lived 3A during the 90s from Brixton to Crystal Palace via the 3. Although never done from SW, some of their Metros had it on their blinds. |
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 25, 2013 2:29:48 GMT
Route 12A was split into two routes. 312 Peckham to South Croydon Garage, 412 West Croydon Bus Station to Purley Old Lodge Lane. The Sunday only 12B Peckham to Chipstead Valley I think is now covered by Route 166 from Croydon? Yes, I seem to recall the 166 going all the way to Beckenham via village way which is now covered by the 367. As a youngster, I remember some of the prefix routes like the 171A and the 22A/B. The 171 and 171A were completely different routes? Same with the 22 and 22A/B  |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 25, 2013 2:54:57 GMT
Route 12A was split into two routes. 312 Peckham to South Croydon Garage, 412 West Croydon Bus Station to Purley Old Lodge Lane. The Sunday only 12B Peckham to Chipstead Valley I think is now covered by Route 166 from Croydon? Yes, I seem to recall the 166 going all the way to Beckenham via village way which is now covered by the 367. As a youngster, I remember some of the prefix routes like the 171A and the 22A/B. The 171 and 171A were completely different routes? Same with the 22 and 22A/B You have just reminded me of the Saturdays service 185A, which ran with the 185 from Lewisham to Camberwell Green then branched off up Walworth Road to Elephant and Castle. I also remember route M1 from the 70s and 80s, which is now the 163 (Raynes Park to Morden) and the Hackbridge end of the 80. |
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