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Post by l1group on Oct 3, 2013 18:25:49 GMT
Sydenham School appears to have staggered leaving times and even got TfL to move the 122 bus stop slightly up the road to segregate the pupils travelling towards Lewisham away from those using the 176 and 197 towards Dulwich. Teachers or support staff supervise the boarding on each bus. Route 122 also has an afternoon school service which starts from the school which has taken some pressure off the normal 122's from Crystal Palace. At least there, you can board the bus in front of the school-ish!! With my school, the "walk down then catch the NEXT bus (as the bus you would've gotten on you'd missed!)" is a problem, where the pupils crowd round the same bus stop, just 1 stop further north. Thus the same problem has moved up, not solved. Teachers still supervise the stops, just to ensure only sixth formers (like me) get on. I think E3 should also have afternoon peak journeys curtailing short at Turnham Green from staggered important places at the north of the route to ease pressure off the regular E3. If schools like Greycourt, Ham (65), Elthorne Park (E8 - which the peak journey is barely used - full E8s behind an empty E8 in Hanwell, then at Hanwell, the full one gets reasonable anyway. Passing my school as we get out of school.) get them, why not E3 and its schools (which do crowd the bus)? Cost? (I'd think so)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 21:18:33 GMT
Regarding the E3 , would it not make sense for some extras to start the peak run at the schools concerned rather than travelling light to one end of the route ? That is if the route has spread over buses. Could work, but the buses used on the E3 are shared with the E1, with a couple of 12 reg buses from the 92 sometimes. Also, not sure where the journeys would start, as there are schools pretty much along the entire route, either directly or nearby. Map
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Post by vjaska on Oct 3, 2013 23:36:50 GMT
Sydenham School appears to have staggered leaving times and even got TfL to move the 122 bus stop slightly up the road to segregate the pupils travelling towards Lewisham away from those using the 176 and 197 towards Dulwich. Teachers or support staff supervise the boarding on each bus. Route 122 also has an afternoon school service which starts from the school which has taken some pressure off the normal 122's from Crystal Palace. Never found capacity on the 122 to be a problem myself, despite the fact it passes near and picks up pupils from at least 4 different schools. The 417 has real problem at school kicking out time - it passes 9 schools on route of which 6 are secondary schools - I would like to see a school route follow the entire length or at least some extra journeys during that period.
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Post by l1group on Oct 4, 2013 5:53:00 GMT
Regarding the E3 , would it not make sense for some extras to start the peak run at the schools concerned rather than travelling light to one end of the route ? That is if the route has spread over buses. Could work, but the buses used on the E3 are shared with the E1, with a couple of 12 reg buses from the 92 sometimes. Also, not sure where the journeys would start, as there are schools pretty much along the entire route, either directly or nearby. MapBrentside - Greenford Broadway (thus no need) Drayton Manor - Drayton Manor (ex-E1) Gunnersbury - West Ealing Broadway OR Northfields (out of service from West Ealing). Or Windmill Rd/Ealing Park Gardens outside school (out of service frm Chiswick via A4,M4,A4,Windmill Road or frm Hanwell Bdy via Boston Manor Road,A4,Windmill Road). Acton High - Acton Town Station (ex-E3 from Chiswick, out of service via Bollo Ln) Chiswick Academy - Edensor Road (thus no need) That was for PM, so reverse for AM.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 8, 2013 16:07:14 GMT
I have discovered a real school bus from hell. I was out and about with another group member yesterday at Orpington experiencing the twists and turns of some "R" routes. We ended up on a R4 to St Pauls Cray around school kicking out time. We arrived at one stop, already well loaded, to find about 30 kids waiting - for a Mini Dart! There were then about 15-20 kids at the next stop and more at the next one. Somehow everyone squeezed on. We were at the back of the bus so we had the delight of a "show me yours and I'll show you mine" teenage anatomy lesson coupled with the merits and risks of teenage smoking. I had to forego the "sat in your lap" optional extra experience but I did get a fair slug of cannabis fumes on a 51 later on. I won't be deliberately seeking out another ride on the R4 mid afternoon. Beats the E3 hands down to me.
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Post by l1group on Oct 8, 2013 18:15:22 GMT
I have discovered a real school bus from hell. I was out and about with another group member yesterday at Orpington experiencing the twists and turns of some "R" routes. We ended up on a R4 to St Pauls Cray around school kicking out time. We arrived at one stop, already well loaded, to find about 30 kids waiting - for a Mini Dart! There were then about 15-20 kids at the next stop and more at the next one. Somehow everyone squeezed on. We were at the back of the bus so we had the delight of a "show me yours and I'll show you mine" teenage anatomy lesson coupled with the merits and risks of teenage smoking. I had to forego the "sat in your lap" optional extra experience but I did get a fair slug of cannabis fumes on a 51 later on. I won't be deliberately seeking out another ride on the R4 mid afternoon. Beats the E3 hands down to me. That's, well, there are schools that do that (not the 51 cannabis fumes though) on the E3 route, it's just that luckily, it's on the buses ahead when I get on the E3... (it isn't Chiswick, they are just very noisy and not allowing older people on the priority seats, whilst whistling loudly, as i experienced today). The load - that can happen if the E3 (usually) has a gap of 15mins then 2 buses come, of which one skips the Julien Rd bus stop ! (Seen the same kind of load when the H91 was sd and had a wait of 24mins). But that's quite a bad experience there, definitely!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 8, 2013 18:38:47 GMT
I have discovered a real school bus from hell. I was out and about with another group member yesterday at Orpington experiencing the twists and turns of some "R" routes. We ended up on a R4 to St Pauls Cray around school kicking out time. We arrived at one stop, already well loaded, to find about 30 kids waiting - for a Mini Dart! There were then about 15-20 kids at the next stop and more at the next one. Somehow everyone squeezed on. We were at the back of the bus so we had the delight of a "show me yours and I'll show you mine" teenage anatomy lesson coupled with the merits and risks of teenage smoking. I had to forego the "sat in your lap" optional extra experience but I did get a fair slug of cannabis fumes on a 51 later on. I won't be deliberately seeking out another ride on the R4 mid afternoon. Beats the E3 hands down to me. Before the 463 got its school journey, around school kicking out time, the Optare Solo would be rammed in - a really awful experience.
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Post by l1group on Oct 10, 2013 18:06:31 GMT
Now this is new - E3 to London United. Hopefully that'll mean a massive revival in the route's fortunes!
Also, some incident happened today involving Gunnersbury students against an E3 today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 20:44:59 GMT
Now this is new - E3 to London United. Hopefully that'll mean a massive revival in the route's fortunes! Also, some incident happened today involving Gunnersbury students against an E3 today. Sounds like London United will have their work cut out !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 22:13:37 GMT
Now this is new - E3 to London United. Hopefully that'll mean a massive revival in the route's fortunes! Also, some incident happened today involving Gunnersbury students against an E3 today. Sounds like London United will have their work cut out ! Yeah, I mean the drivers'll have to be REALLY tolerant of most of us, who are pretty much immature and a bit stupid, dare I say: From My Twitter Feed: Put simply, the driver didn't stop to let us on and some Year 11s decided it was a "good idea" to confront the driver. Yes, I was there.
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Post by l1group on Oct 11, 2013 16:39:17 GMT
Sounds like London United will have their work cut out ! Yeah, I mean the drivers'll have to be REALLY tolerant of most of us, who are pretty much immature and a bit stupid, dare I say: From My Twitter Feed: Put simply, the driver didn't stop to let us on and some Year 11s decided it was a "good idea" to confront the driver. Yes, I was there. London United drivers cope with quite a few school routes, literally and as in normal routes. There are many school kids on routes like the 111 (which cope well, but is AV), and like the 220/283 (I'm not so sure how they cope, I'm not using them buses nowadays). Also, I suspect that due to it being a large tender, it might mean the drivers could move to LU if asked? Then it'd be the same drivers, newer buses etc. btw - the incident, I was lucky I was on the bus ahead on that day, I did wonder why there was like a 15min gap between buses (and why my one was regulated at Acton OTH).
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Post by l1group on Oct 22, 2013 17:00:16 GMT
I've noticed recently there have been many more times where the E3s keep on bunching, be overcrowded and a tad late before terminating short. There seems to be not much of a problem back along the route, to be honest, yet there is still this crowding south/east of Northfields.
Also, there is the question as to what SPs/buses will the E3 get? And where will it be based when it moves to London United?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 4:38:39 GMT
I think V is safe bet. Changeovers will probably be done at Chiswick. As for vehicles i think that might depend on what happens to the 71 & 281 tender award . If the 281 is lost then i would expect SP ex rt 148 , if 281 retained there is a chance of being brand new buses.
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Post by l1group on Oct 23, 2013 5:58:48 GMT
I think V is safe bet. Changeovers will probably be done at Chiswick. As for vehicles i think that might depend on what happens to the 71 & 281 tender award . If the 281 is lost then i would expect SP ex rt 148 , if 281 retained there is a chance of being brand new buses. Chiswick changeovers from V could be dead ones at Edensor Road, or live ones at Turnham Green Station/Chiswick Police Station (use 27 as a shuttle). The problem is which route is moving from V in order to accommodate the E3? V is nearly full!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 23, 2013 9:48:20 GMT
I think V is safe bet. Changeovers will probably be done at Chiswick. As for vehicles i think that might depend on what happens to the 71 & 281 tender award . If the 281 is lost then i would expect SP ex rt 148 , if 281 retained there is a chance of being brand new buses. I'm a bit confused by this - if the 281 is lost, what has the 148's SP's got to do with it?
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