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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 14:01:27 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 14:36:14 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service It is already a 24 hour route, how would removing the N suffix at night improve things? Sorry but this has to be the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard  |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 18, 2013 14:58:55 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service There are already plenty of other buses following that route from Battersea Bridge to Clapham Junction: 49, 319, 345 and parallel route 170. In addition the 319 overlaps the 19 south of Sloane Square, giving punters plenty of chances to change buses. Extending the 19 to Clapham Junction will cost money as more drivers will be needed with the route's pvr increased, the latter TfL will not want to do giving the current condition of their wallet with projects like the NB4L. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 18, 2013 15:17:40 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service There are already plenty of other buses following that route from Battersea Bridge to Clapham Junction: 49, 319, 345 and parallel route 170. In addition the 319 overlaps the 19 south of Sloane Square, giving punters plenty of chances to change buses. Extending the 19 to Clapham Junction will cost money as more drivers will be needed with the route's pvr increased, the latter TfL will not want to do giving the current condition of their wallet with projects like the NB4L. I'm guessing stand space would come into question as well - I mean, the 219 took the 170's old stand when the 239 was discontinued and allowed the 170 to be extended over it to Victoria which only leaves the 239's space at Boutflower Road - the 19 most likely wouldn't be able to stand there giving it's far more frequent than the 239 was. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 18, 2013 15:29:41 GMT
There are already plenty of other buses following that route from Battersea Bridge to Clapham Junction: 49, 319, 345 and parallel route 170. In addition the 319 overlaps the 19 south of Sloane Square, giving punters plenty of chances to change buses. Extending the 19 to Clapham Junction will cost money as more drivers will be needed with the route's pvr increased, the latter TfL will not want to do giving the current condition of their wallet with projects like the NB4L. I'm guessing stand space would come into question as well - I mean, the 219 took the 170's old stand when the 239 was discontinued and allowed the 170 to be extended over it to Victoria which only leaves the 239's space at Boutflower Road - the 19 most likely wouldn't be able to stand there giving it's far more frequent than the 239 was. Also, the 49 and 337 presently reside on the Boutflower Road stand. |
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Post by Steve80 on Oct 18, 2013 15:37:54 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service There are already plenty of other buses following that route from Battersea Bridge to Clapham Junction: 49, 319, 345 and parallel route 170. In addition the 319 overlaps the 19 south of Sloane Square, giving punters plenty of chances to change buses. Extending the 19 to Clapham Junction will cost money as more drivers will be needed with the route's pvr increased, the latter TfL will not want to do giving the current condition of their wallet with projects like the NB4L. You also got the heavy traffic to deal with between Battersea bridge and Clapham junction. Looking at the timetable, the 19 already is 1 hour and 20 mins long, which is not a surprised when you consider the traffic in picadilly |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 18, 2013 18:57:41 GMT
As the southern terminus of the N19 is just a few minutes further on from the terminus of the 19, why has nobody thought of extending the 19 those few extra stops to Clapham Junction to allow the conversion of the 19 to a 24-hour service It is already a 24 hour route, how would removing the N suffix at night improve things? Sorry but this has to be the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard Route 19 is not 24 Hour. The 19 & N19 are two separately numbered routes even if the 19 & N19 both start at Finsbury Park Station and follow each other until Battersea Bridge, South Side then the N19 goes a bit further down the road to Clapham Junction. Route 65 is a route classed as 24 Hour even without the N Prefix. The route is extended beyond Kingston via the 71 nightly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 18:58:45 GMT
I would think there is a good case for extending the N19 from Clapham Junction via the 319 route to Streatham Hill or even Brixton
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 19:17:40 GMT
Yes Metrobus I know all that, theres a 24hr service from Finsbury Park to Clapham Junction
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Post by Mokujin on Oct 18, 2013 19:26:00 GMT
I would think there is a good case for extending the N19 from Clapham Junction via the 319 route to Streatham Hill or even Brixton Wouldn't the route be a bit too long if the route was extended to Brixton, but Streatham Hill would be alright. That would then provide four links from there to the City (159, N19 N109, N137). |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 18, 2013 20:28:24 GMT
Yes Metrobus I know all that, theres a 24hr service from Finsbury Park to Clapham Junction I understand what you mean. You are effectively saying that Finsburk Park - Clapham Junction has buses running for 24 Hours. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 18, 2013 20:38:53 GMT
I would think there is a good case for extending the N19 from Clapham Junction via the 319 route to Streatham Hill or even Brixton Wouldn't the route be a bit too long if the route was extended to Brixton, but Streatham Hill would be alright. That would then provide four links from there to the City (159, N19 N109, N137). Your forgetting its a night route and as such, it's extremely unlikely to run into traffic or other issues - it would provide a much needed night service through Wandsworth Common. Wouldn't extend it to Brixton but to Streatham Hill Telford Avenue is fine. Either that or a 24 hour 319 - both good ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 21:14:06 GMT
Yes Metrobus I know all that, theres a 24hr service from Finsbury Park to Clapham Junction I understand what you mean. You are effectively saying that Finsburk Park - Clapham Junction has buses running for 24 Hours. Thats right |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 9:57:49 GMT
Either that or a 24 hour 319 - both good ideas. Agreed. I have mentioned on here many times how there is a large area circled by Battersea, Clapham, Streatham, and Tooting with only the N155 running through it, leaving areas either side of the A24 a relatively long walk from access to any night bus. Personally I would extend the N19 to Streatham Hill as otherwise you either needlessly duplicate both routes between Sloane Square and Clapham Junction, or make the 19 into a 24 hour route and lose the connection between Battersea and the west end. The N19 would also give those west end links to the Wandsworth Common making it more useful. There is no need for it to be extended to Brixton though, it already has more direct links from Clapham Junction and the west end and I cannot see much demand from Wandsworth Common or Tooting Bec Road to Brixton when they do not even have day links. There is also already a very good night service between Streatham Hill and Brixton with the 159, 250, N109, and N133. Clapham Junction is still a far enough distance from Battersea Bridge that extending the 19 for the sake of simplifying the numbering is a bad idea. It is a little strange there is no direct day service to the west end, but almost 2 miles is a significant extension and would require a genuine need for a service going beyond Sloane Square to justify it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 11:25:12 GMT
I'd think a night link from the Tooting Bec area to Brixton would be useful for nightlife but Streatham Hill is probably far enough for an N19 extension.
At the Finsbury Park end an extension around the low bridge and over the daytime W7 would also be useful.
The idea of extending the daytime 19 to Clapham Junction just for the sake of removing the N prefix at night is just ridiculous.
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