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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 8:40:59 GMT
All stops at West Croydon bus station
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 30, 2014 2:24:00 GMT
Bus Stop R in Peckham on Rye Lane. Since the pavements were extended, buses are unable to overtake which leads to being held there and is even worse if a bus is taken out of service.
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Post by sw11simon on Jan 30, 2014 7:42:51 GMT
I'm going to have to nominate Brixton Station northbound again, luckily I rarely use it. The problem is there are too many buses in one small area, and these buses are spread between 3 stops. Therefore a bus that has to serve the middle one (such as a 133 if it has not changed) has to struggle in between buses at the first and last stop. Buses often cannot get into place and have to queue to reach the stop, increasing the chance of people opening the doors or drivers opening door from the middle of the road. In recent times I was most often on the 45 there, which serves the first stop, and often I could not get on it due to other buses. I would often unload on the pavement before the side road and then have to pull up to the stop to load. In my opinion this arrangement is not fit for purpose, and it would better from a traffic management point of view if there was one stop for all routes so each buses pulled up as far along as possible, creating more space as such. Another that had a similar silly arrangement, but with two stops, was at Clapham Junction (St John's Road) southbound - too close together on a narrow road so it was hard for a 219/319/G1 to pull in properly if there was another bus on the first stop, and in doing so they would often block in the other bus. Fortunately this bus stop has been converted to a single stop since the town centre development.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 11:12:11 GMT
Nene Road (BJ) , Boltons Lane (BK) and New Road which are along the bath road heading out of Heathrow. These bus stops are rather small and if one or two busses (Which is a stretch) are at the stop buses behind would simply skip the stop. It's not so bad if you miss an 81 or a 285 as there's alternatives but other routes like 111 and 105 would mean another 10 minuet wait!!
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Post by M1104 on Jan 30, 2014 11:32:04 GMT
I'm going to have to nominate Brixton Station northbound again, luckily I rarely use it. The problem is there are too many buses in one small area, and these buses are spread between 3 stops. Therefore a bus that has to serve the middle one (such as a 133 if it has not changed) has to struggle in between buses at the first and last stop. Buses often cannot get into place and have to queue to reach the stop, increasing the chance of people opening the doors or drivers opening door from the middle of the road. In recent times I was most often on the 45 there, which serves the first stop, and often I could not get on it due to other buses. I would often unload on the pavement before the side road and then have to pull up to the stop to load. In my opinion this arrangement is not fit for purpose, and it would better from a traffic management point of view if there was one stop for all routes so each buses pulled up as far along as possible, creating more space as such. Another that had a similar silly arrangement, but with two stops, was at Clapham Junction (St John's Road) southbound - too close together on a narrow road so it was hard for a 219/319/G1 to pull in properly if there was another bus on the first stop, and in doing so they would often block in the other bus. Fortunately this bus stop has been converted to a single stop since the town centre development. I agree that Brixton town centre should have one stop northbound for all routes, but it should also be the same southbound as well. The worst stop seems to be the one right outside KFC where you have the 109, 250, 133, 333, 45, 118, 159, 59 (and any more I missed out) serving that stop alone. Add that to the fact that you often get two buses of the same number coming into that stop. On many occasions, practically every day, you have buses blocking the middle lane because of the queue of buses trying to get into the bus stop, or a bus that is trying to leave the stop but is blocked in by another bus which is trying to cut in. Might as well use that KFC stop for all the routes and let the passengers walk up to the buses as they park. The same bus stop arrangement should also be for Mitcham Road, Tooting Broadway.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 30, 2014 12:08:37 GMT
I'm going to have to nominate Brixton Station northbound again, luckily I rarely use it. The problem is there are too many buses in one small area, and these buses are spread between 3 stops. Therefore a bus that has to serve the middle one (such as a 133 if it has not changed) has to struggle in between buses at the first and last stop. Buses often cannot get into place and have to queue to reach the stop, increasing the chance of people opening the doors or drivers opening door from the middle of the road. In recent times I was most often on the 45 there, which serves the first stop, and often I could not get on it due to other buses. I would often unload on the pavement before the side road and then have to pull up to the stop to load. In my opinion this arrangement is not fit for purpose, and it would better from a traffic management point of view if there was one stop for all routes so each buses pulled up as far along as possible, creating more space as such. Another that had a similar silly arrangement, but with two stops, was at Clapham Junction (St John's Road) southbound - too close together on a narrow road so it was hard for a 219/319/G1 to pull in properly if there was another bus on the first stop, and in doing so they would often block in the other bus. Fortunately this bus stop has been converted to a single stop since the town centre development. I agree that Brixton town centre should have one stop northbound for all routes, but it should also be the same southbound as well. The worst stop seems to be the one right outside KFC where you have the 109, 250, 133, 333, 45, 118, 159, 59 (and any more I missed out) serving that stop alone. Add that to the fact that you often get two buses of the same number coming into that stop. On many occasions, practically every day, you have buses blocking the middle lane because of the queue of buses trying to get into the bus stop, or a bus that is trying to leave the stop but is blocked in by another bus which is trying to cut in. Might as well use that KFC stop for all the routes and let the passengers walk up to the buses as they park. The same bus stop arrangement should also be for Mitcham Road, Tooting Broadway. Seems like nothings changed in Brixton. I remember as a kid the N/B stops outside Morleys, is that still there? The crush on a Saturday was incredible, and remember in the 50's you still had a conductor. It was nothing in them days seeing a convoy of 109's most of them showing: "Brixton-Vassall Road"
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Post by moz on Feb 1, 2014 22:45:13 GMT
Brixton is going to stay like that for a long time and the only way to solve the issue is to either bite the bullet and get shot of the pedestrian crossing in front of Brixton Station so they can extend the Bus Stop area northbound or have the 109, 118 and 250 terminate back at Lambeth Town Hall.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Feb 1, 2014 23:07:32 GMT
Croydon Libary
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2014 8:00:03 GMT
Brixton is going to stay like that for a long time and the only way to solve the issue is to either bite the bullet and get shot of the pedestrian crossing in front of Brixton Station so they can extend the Bus Stop area northbound or have the 109, 118 and 250 terminate back at Lambeth Town Hall. Moz The first option is more do-able than the second. Removing the crossing outside the tube station would only result in a 30-45 second walk down the road to the next available crossing so the impact wouldn't be much IMO. Terminating the 109, 118 & 250 at Lambeth Town Hall can no longer be done now Brixton Hill (between Porden Road & the town hall) is two way as the loop from Brixton Hill to Effra Road was paved over. Also, there is only 1 bus stand designed for two terminating routes unlike before when there was two stands sitting on the one way system. Looking at historical photos, there used to be a footbridge where the crossing outside the tube is.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 2, 2014 16:32:49 GMT
Putting a footbridge outside Brixton Station to replace the crossing would likely include the obligation of putting a lift on either side for wheelchair accessory, similar to what they have at Mitcham: Eastfields Station.
I also reckon that removing the crossing from directly outside the station would encourage even more punters to jaywalk across the high street, even with the presence of a footbridge.
The best option I therefore recommend that is what sw11simon said in having one bus stop on each side. It may not be the ultimate solution but it should improve things even if slightly and is the cheapest option, considering TfL's present financial situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 16:50:53 GMT
To remove the crossing in front of Brixton tube station you would need to build an underpass to a new station entrance on the other side of the road. I guess this would be too difficult or expensive though as it would be better for pedestrians, buses, and traffic flow that they would have done it already.
Removing the crossing would lead to too many people crossing between traffic that it would cause more congestion on the road, as it would be a constant trickle, especially in the morning peak, rather than bursts as with a controlled crossing. Even if most people did go out of their way to use a crossing further north or south, that would then introduce more crowding on the pavements. The current crossing position funnels everyone from the west side straight into the station, but taking that away you then the east side pavements will have to cope with them as well as all those already approaching the station from that side.
I have two local bus stops are not especially busy, but I find them hellish.
The southbound St Leonard's "SA" stop is on the narrowish section of pavement anywhere on Streatham High Road, there is not even room for a shelter, and is the only one in the central area that serves all routes instead of using split stops. So it makes it difficult to walk on that side of the road even with a small number of people waiting. As crazy busy as the southbound stops at Brixton station are, the pavement is wide enough that there is place to wait or you can get through the queues if walking past.
The other is the first 315 stop on Gleneldon Road. Technically a hail and ride section, it is effectively the High Road stop towards West Norwood so there is often around half a dozen people waiting. But the route uses single door buses and because people are idiots or selfish they always crowd the door, and do not even step aside when someone wants to alight so you have to literally push people out of the way.
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Post by moz on Feb 2, 2014 19:33:26 GMT
To remove the crossing in front of Brixton tube station you would need to build an underpass to a new station entrance on the other side of the road. I guess this would be too difficult or expensive though as it would be better for pedestrians, buses, and traffic flow that they would have done it already. Removing the crossing would lead to too many people crossing between traffic that it would cause more congestion on the road, as it would be a constant trickle, especially in the morning peak, rather than bursts as with a controlled crossing. Even if most people did go out of their way to use a crossing further north or south, that would then introduce more crowding on the pavements. The current crossing position funnels everyone from the west side straight into the station, but taking that away you then the east side pavements will have to cope with them as well as all those already approaching the station from that side. I do wonder if this could be done as part of introducing an Overground station to Brixton. At present everyone seems to be looking at how it could be built over the Atlantic Road section of line but this could be really rather costly, however there is quite a bit of free land over on the Nursery Road side that could accomodate a six-car station as well as space for a new subway down into the Vic Line station. With Oyster OSI now becoming sort-of reliable and the ability to provide lifts almost anywhere this could provide both an expansion to local links through an Overground stop and the ability to remove the crossing outside the station. Did somebody say 'money'? Oh that, yeah loads - if London can afford to reintroduce crew-operated buses then this is a petty cash job! Moz
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Post by snoggle on Feb 2, 2014 21:34:49 GMT
I do wonder if this could be done as part of introducing an Overground station to Brixton. At present everyone seems to be looking at how it could be built over the Atlantic Road section of line but this could be really rather costly, however there is quite a bit of free land over on the Nursery Road side that could accomodate a six-car station as well as space for a new subway down into the Vic Line station. With Oyster OSI now becoming sort-of reliable and the ability to provide lifts almost anywhere this could provide both an expansion to local links through an Overground stop and the ability to remove the crossing outside the station. Did somebody say 'money'? Oh that, yeah loads - if London can afford to reintroduce crew-operated buses then this is a petty cash job! Moz Well we clearly can't afford crew operated buses given the limited extent of such operation with the NB4L. Building an Overground station at Brixton is tens of millions of pounds and that's before you consider any other impacts on rail services that run through Brixton. I agree it would be a good idea and would be hugely popular but that is what rather causes the costs to be upwards of £50m (last rough estimate from TfL) and may cause issues with dwell times and train / line capacity.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2014 3:15:28 GMT
To remove the crossing in front of Brixton tube station you would need to build an underpass to a new station entrance on the other side of the road. I guess this would be too difficult or expensive though as it would be better for pedestrians, buses, and traffic flow that they would have done it already. Removing the crossing would lead to too many people crossing between traffic that it would cause more congestion on the road, as it would be a constant trickle, especially in the morning peak, rather than bursts as with a controlled crossing. Even if most people did go out of their way to use a crossing further north or south, that would then introduce more crowding on the pavements. The current crossing position funnels everyone from the west side straight into the station, but taking that away you then the east side pavements will have to cope with them as well as all those already approaching the station from that side. I do wonder if this could be done as part of introducing an Overground station to Brixton. At present everyone seems to be looking at how it could be built over the Atlantic Road section of line but this could be really rather costly, however there is quite a bit of free land over on the Nursery Road side that could accomodate a six-car station as well as space for a new subway down into the Vic Line station. With Oyster OSI now becoming sort-of reliable and the ability to provide lifts almost anywhere this could provide both an expansion to local links through an Overground stop and the ability to remove the crossing outside the station. Did somebody say 'money'? Oh that, yeah loads - if London can afford to reintroduce crew-operated buses then this is a petty cash job! Moz It's not a bad idea - Brixton, as well as Loughborough Junction, needs a stop on the Overground as it would provide interchange with the Victoria Line & Southeastern services to Orpington. It's a fast growing important hub as it is a sort of 'major gateway' to South & South East London. A stop at Loughborough Junction would provide an interchange with Thameslink.
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