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Post by Paul on Feb 24, 2015 12:26:08 GMT
Or the 353 driver travels up in a 358 from the garage to the war memorial. Or an R5/R10  We carry quite a few MB drivers into Orpington. Perhaps they prefer a quieter journey down  As for the 'random' changeovers points, presumably it's much the same as the 47s changing over in Lewisham and done for driving hours reasons. They've managed to find a way to squeeze out a little bit extra from one duty |
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Post by sid on Feb 24, 2015 12:29:49 GMT
Or the 353 driver travels up in a 358 from the garage to the war memorial. Or an R5/R10 We carry quite a few MB drivers into Orpington. Perhaps they prefer a quieter journey down As for the 'random' changeovers points, presumably it's much the same as the 47s changing over in Lewisham and done for driving hours reasons. They've managed to find a way to squeeze out a little bit extra from one duty So does a driver on the 47 who comes off at Lewisham travel as a passenger back to TL or take their break at Lewisham? |
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Post by Paul on Feb 24, 2015 12:34:28 GMT
Or an R5/R10 We carry quite a few MB drivers into Orpington. Perhaps they prefer a quieter journey down As for the 'random' changeovers points, presumably it's much the same as the 47s changing over in Lewisham and done for driving hours reasons. They've managed to find a way to squeeze out a little bit extra from one duty So does a driver on the 47 who comes off at Lewisham travel as a passenger back to TL or take their break at Lewisham? I was told they travel back to TL as a passenger because they need to take over a bus at TL for their second half. I can't say for certain because I don't work at TL and haven't seen the duty cards!  It does, however, bring about the somewhat daft situation of a driver leaving TL to come off at Lewisham and then having to go back to TL. Bizarre |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 27, 2015 22:17:15 GMT
The 320 seems to of changed the changeover points again. Some at the Crown as it was and now some in Widmore Road (Boots) Since they changed the dutys in November it's always been both the crown and boots Why are some at the Crown and Some at Boots? Meal Reliefs? Surely Keston Church was Easier |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 27, 2015 22:29:36 GMT
Since they changed the dutys in November it's always been both the crown and boots Why are some at the Crown and Some at Boots? Meal Reliefs? Surely Keston Church was Easier All meal reliefs are at Boots but then finishing or starting a duty is either Boots or Crown. |
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Post by eggmiester on Apr 20, 2015 21:19:49 GMT
Keston church was costing the company money due to having to employ a staff shuttle to and from Mb for all changeovers including reliefs. Having the reliefs at Bromley and the start finish changeovers at either Bromley or the crown is saving a fair amount of unnecessary cost.
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Post by jay38a on Apr 21, 2015 17:49:16 GMT
Keston church was costing the company money due to having to employ a staff shuttle to and from Mb for all changeovers including reliefs. Having the reliefs at Bromley and the start finish changeovers at either Bromley or the crown is saving a fair amount of unnecessary cost. We drove ourselves to and from Keston. Like the rest of the ferry buses no one is employed to drive them we drive ourselves to the changeover point. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 12:25:24 GMT
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167 - Ilford (stand)
193 - Romford (live)
300 - Beckton Asda (live)
376 - Beckton Asda (stand)
347 - Romford (stand)
362 - King George Hospital (stand)
364 - Dagenham East or ilford (stand)
368 - Barking, London Road (live)
498 - Queens Hospital (stand)
EL1 - Thames View Estate (live)
EL2 - Dagenham Dock (stand)
It's been a few years since I drove the 347 so may have changed. Also the 167 has a few duties that hand over at Debdon (stand).
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Post by snoggle on Jun 23, 2015 16:45:58 GMT
Just had a driver changeover at Walthamstow Market on an e/b 275. Never seen that before - is this new or just a one off?
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Post by northken on Jun 23, 2015 17:44:42 GMT
Why does the 23 have its (live) changeover at Gloucester Terrace a lot of the time, instead of say Chepstow Road which is closer to X? The drivers have to stay on their bus for two more stops before jumping on a 28/31/328 back to X anyway. I understand why driver hours may mean a changeover is necessary before it reaches X, but this particular stop seems to have been chosen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 3:36:26 GMT
It could be because of rules that no longer apply. Change overs are usually conducted at timing points. However all stops are now considered timing points due to iBus. Why does the 23 have its (live) changeover at Gloucester Terrace a lot of the time, instead of say Chepstow Road which is closer to X? The drivers have to stay on their bus for two more stops before jumping on a 28/31/328 back to X anyway. I understand why driver hours may mean a changeover is necessary before it reaches X, but this particular stop seems to have been chosen. |
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Post by Nathan on Jun 24, 2015 10:27:00 GMT
Why does the 23 have its (live) changeover at Gloucester Terrace a lot of the time, instead of say Chepstow Road which is closer to X? The drivers have to stay on their bus for two more stops before jumping on a 28/31/328 back to X anyway. I understand why driver hours may mean a changeover is necessary before it reaches X, but this particular stop seems to have been chosen. I thought that the drivers changeover at X, where it terminates? |
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Post by northken on Jun 24, 2015 12:49:24 GMT
Why does the 23 have its (live) changeover at Gloucester Terrace a lot of the time, instead of say Chepstow Road which is closer to X? The drivers have to stay on their bus for two more stops before jumping on a 28/31/328 back to X anyway. I understand why driver hours may mean a changeover is necessary before it reaches X, but this particular stop seems to have been chosen. I thought that the drivers changeover at X, where it terminates? I think they try to when possible, but it's common for it to happen at Gloucester Terrace. The new driver just sits on a bench and waits for his bus there before the changeover. The old driver tags along after for a few stops before making their way to X. Another possible reason (bar timing points, which is entirely plausable thanks @chazaroo) could be that as the route is so troubled by traffic it's not rare for a bus to be terminated at Notting Hill. By having a changeover (albeit live) before the very end allows some more flexibility with operations, at least that's how it seems to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 8:57:28 GMT
This is one part of tendering I can't get my head round.
The costs of getting staff to and fro from garages like Potters Bar, Garston, Dartford , often using the actual buses that could be in public service , must be huge , compared with a depot on line of route.
In theory, how on earth can Garston operate the 340 cheaper than Metroline or Sovereign . Or Abellio running the 235 from TF rather than LU from AV or HH ??
Is the hourly pay that much different that it equals up when all this extra time is included ?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Sept 20, 2015 8:00:28 GMT
Just bumping to add the QB routes
3: Kennington Chruch
49: Clapham Junction
156: Vauxhall
211: Waterloo
344: Clapham Junction
414: Putney Bridge
452: Sliverthorne Road (Near QB)
C2: Victoria
C3: Clapham Junction
C10: Victoria
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