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Route 47
Dec 18, 2013 15:57:40 GMT
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 18, 2013 15:57:40 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 16:04:25 GMT
The 47 has need a frequency increase for a while
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 18, 2013 18:34:20 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there. In all honesty I think the frequency should be increased to every 6-8 mins in the peaks and more running time. The usage on the 47 has been going up for a number of years. Many also use the 225 as an alternative which is also getting busier.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 18, 2013 19:56:22 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there. In all honesty I think the frequency should be increased to every 6-8 mins in the peaks and more running time. The usage on the 47 has been going up for a number of years. Many also use the 225 as an alternative which is also getting busier. Funny then that the TfL patronage stats show a decrease of nearly 8% over the last three years on the 47. Clearly that's the route as a whole and there may be more people on the central section but less at the ends of the route. The 199's ridership has gone up about 10% over the last 4 years.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 18, 2013 21:03:10 GMT
If you look overall at the route, it is well connected to other modes of transport, such as the Jubilee line which mirrors the London Bridge to Canada Water corridor, London Overground from Surrey Quays and Canada Water connects with Shoreditch, so while there are issues along the whole route, the reduction is probably where it's well served by rail, which leaves the Surrey Quays to Lewisham section being the bulk of the problem, although some local journeys between Deptford Bridge and Lewisham can be relieved by the DLR.
Lewisham to Catford is well served by other routes.
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 18, 2013 22:03:10 GMT
I have also noticed that the 07:10 journey from Shoreditch to Bellingham gets to Deptford Church Street around 07:56 then 5 minutes later, another 47 would come when the Timetable states that there is a journey every 10 minutes from Shoreditch and the next bus is meant to come at 08:06 rather than 08:01. I don't know if this is an extra journey but they both end up to be overcrowded aswell. The curtailments to Lewisham Station and Monument are also common and sometimes some 47's are curtailed to Lewisham Station around 22:00 or 23:00 aswell.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 7, 2014 23:54:45 GMT
I have also noticed that the 07:10 journey from Shoreditch to Bellingham gets to Deptford Church Street around 07:56 then 5 minutes later, another 47 would come when the Timetable states that there is a journey every 10 minutes from Shoreditch and the next bus is meant to come at 08:06 rather than 08:01. I don't know if this is an extra journey but they both end up to be overcrowded aswell. The curtailments to Lewisham Station and Monument are also common and sometimes some 47's are curtailed to Lewisham Station around 22:00 or 23:00 aswell. That kind of thing is usually down to run-time expansion - the point where the running time of a trip increases due to traffic and other factors. There are certain pinch points on routes like this where TfL specify there needs to be a specific headway/number of buses per hour. For example, they might specify that there must be at least 6 bph, roughly evenly spaced at Liverpool Street Station between 0630 and 0830. This can be achieved by tweaking the schedule so that the headway is slightly uneven, or seemingly different elsewhere on the route. You may find that buses depart from Bellingham Bus Garage every 7 minutes in order to achieve a 10 minute headway at Liverpool Street. Planning/scheduling is a cross between a dark art and a precise science at times.
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Post by wivenswold on Jan 12, 2014 13:38:01 GMT
It's had an interesting history, the 47. It was the last route through the City of London to host RTs when Catford would sometimes put out in place of an RM, a practice that was still going on in August 1978. Decades later it was also the last route through the square mile to have an allocation of Titans, likewise (if my memory serves me well) Volvo Olympians. Now it will be in a straight race with the 344 to have the last Tridents in the business district by the looks of things. I'm pretty sure the ALXs bought for the 47 were also the last built for London.
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Route 47
Jan 12, 2014 13:50:21 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2014 13:50:21 GMT
It's had an interesting history, the 47. It was the last route through the City of London to host RTs when Catford would sometimes put out in place of an RM, a practice that was still going on in August 1978. Decades later it was also the last route through the square mile to have an allocation of Titans, likewise (if my memory serves me well) Volvo Olympians. Now it will be in a straight race with the 344 to have the last Tridents in the business district by the looks of things. I'm pretty sure the ALXs bought for the 47 were also the last built for London. There were still Titans at Q long after the 47 lost its own but I think they were only spares. The 40 had the last Titan running on a regular service in 2003 leaving just a few school routes using Titans under Blue Triangle until December 2005. The last Volvo Olympian route within the square mile was the 4 I believe in 2005.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 12, 2014 13:56:27 GMT
It's had an interesting history, the 47. It was the last route through the City of London to host RTs when Catford would sometimes put out in place of an RM, a practice that was still going on in August 1978. Decades later it was also the last route through the square mile to have an allocation of Titans, likewise (if my memory serves me well) Volvo Olympians. Now it will be in a straight race with the 344 to have the last Tridents in the business district by the looks of things. I'm pretty sure the ALXs bought for the 47 were also the last built for London. 18481-18499 were certainly the Last ALX 400s in service in London. 18499 I think is the last ALX 400 ever built?
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Post by wivenswold on Jan 12, 2014 15:10:51 GMT
It's had an interesting history, the 47. It was the last route through the City of London to host RTs when Catford would sometimes put out in place of an RM, a practice that was still going on in August 1978. Decades later it was also the last route through the square mile to have an allocation of Titans, likewise (if my memory serves me well) Volvo Olympians. Now it will be in a straight race with the 344 to have the last Tridents in the business district by the looks of things. I'm pretty sure the ALXs bought for the 47 were also the last built for London. There were still Titans at Q long after the 47 lost its own but I think they were only spares. The 40 had the last Titan running on a regular service in 2003 leaving just a few school routes using Titans under Blue Triangle until December 2005. The last Volvo Olympian route within the square mile was the 4 I believe in 2005. Ah yes, I'd forgotten about the 40. The 63 also had a few Titans but that was a little to the west of the city.
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Post by moz on Jan 12, 2014 15:20:21 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there. The 129 could help out over a bit of it if it were extended from Greenwich along Creek Road then down the 47 to Lewisham. I think it can use 'deckers which would be even more help. Moz
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Post by M1104 on Jan 12, 2014 15:44:31 GMT
It's had an interesting history, the 47. It was the last route through the City of London to host RTs when Catford would sometimes put out in place of an RM, a practice that was still going on in August 1978. Decades later it was also the last route through the square mile to have an allocation of Titans, likewise (if my memory serves me well) Volvo Olympians. Now it will be in a straight race with the 344 to have the last Tridents in the business district by the looks of things. I'm pretty sure the ALXs bought for the 47 were also the last built for London. Abellio's Tridents only go up to 52 reg with 9829, so Stagecoach has won by a long shot with the 47 as some of their ALX400s are newer than Abellio's Volvo Geminis.
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Route 47
Jan 12, 2014 21:28:35 GMT
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Post by Mokujin on Jan 12, 2014 21:28:35 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there. The 129 could help out over a bit of it if it were extended from Greenwich along Creek Road then down the 47 to Lewisham. I think it can use 'deckers which would be even more help. Moz I agree, at least then 129 would have a better purpose than it's current one. And it could also relieve pressure on route 108 aswell.
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Post by Nathan on Jan 12, 2014 22:18:44 GMT
Something should be done about this route. Every day, the route is getting more and more overcrowded with most people being left behind at bus stops. The high demand for the route is basically between Catford and Surrey Quays, Lewisham and Deptford are the worst. I suggest maybe the 47 should get a new timetable with PVR increased and the frequency decreased to every 8 minutes or so. The 199 helps route 47 between Catford and Canada Water and is also overcrowded in the Mornings and Afternoons but is lightly used in the evenings but some people prefer to use 47 as it is a shorter route towards places like Deptford, Surrey Quays etc. than 199 which is longer to get there. I don't use the route all the time, but from what I've seen it seems to cope. I've probably only seen overcrowding once or twice on the route, but it's not too bad. Maybe a small frequency increase is needed, but other than that there's plenty of alternative routes to take.
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