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Post by M1104 on Dec 19, 2014 16:59:02 GMT
There is one particular side street not far from Mayday hospital which is having its streetlights completely changed for the second time in 10 years. I don't remember the name of the road but it's off Whitehorse Road just before the hump railway bridge going towards Crystal Palace.
This particular street only had one third of its lampposts replaced (mayday hospital end), alongside a newly built residential section. These lamppost are the ones been replaced again.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2014 18:14:56 GMT
There is one particular side street not far from Mayday hospital which is having its streetlights completely changed for the second time in 10 years. I don't remember the name of the road but it's off Whitehorse Road just before the hump railway bridge going towards Crystal Palace. This particular street only had one third of its lampposts replaced (mayday hospital end), alongside a newly built residential section. These lamppost are the ones been replaced again. Pawsons Road is what your thinking of. Beulah Hill is another road where its having its lampposts replaced more than once in the last 10-15 years. The section of Beulah Hill between Crown Point and Spa Hill had its lovely lampposts with their decorative column bases replaced by Urbis ZX3's with standard columns around 2000 and now those same Urbis ZX3's are being replaced with Phillips SGS253's whilst the rest of Beulah Hill's lampposts wasn't replaced until around 2005. |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 19, 2014 21:28:09 GMT
There is one particular side street not far from Mayday hospital which is having its streetlights completely changed for the second time in 10 years. I don't remember the name of the road but it's off Whitehorse Road just before the hump railway bridge going towards Crystal Palace. This particular street only had one third of its lampposts replaced (mayday hospital end), alongside a newly built residential section. These lamppost are the ones been replaced again. Pawsons Road is what your thinking of. Beulah Hill is another road where its having its lampposts replaced more than once in the last 10-15 years. The section of Beulah Hill between Crown Point and Spa Hill had its lovely lampposts with their decorative column bases replaced by Urbis ZX3's with standard columns around 2000 and now those same Urbis ZX3's are being replaced with Phillips SGS253's whilst the rest of Beulah Hill's lampposts wasn't replaced until around 2005. That's the road. Yes, forgot to mention Beulah Hill as well. I loved the original ones they had there where each lamppost was directly opposite each other with the cable running across the road between each set. Clapham Junction is another area where the lamps have changed again from within the last 10–15 years. I don't think many councils are up-to-date with which streets have been upgraded, where like you said some streets have had the lamps changed twice whereas others are still the same from the 1950s/60s. |
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Post by M1104 on May 20, 2015 18:28:43 GMT
I only just noticed last night that some of the the lampposts on the A24 between colliers wood and tooting Broadway stations have been/are being replaced by the energy saver versions, similar to what Lambeth have on Coldharbour lane but with longer necks. The weird thing is that the street lights being replaced are from high-street tooting (junction of Sittincourt Road) into high-street colliers wood (junction of Marborough Road), which means that section of the A24 will have the same lamppost designs for the first time since trolleybuses. The ones being replaced have similar designs except merton's were from the mid 70s whereas Wandsworth's were from the late 80s/early 90s. The 1950/60's concrete ones before them were also different designs between the two boroughs, tooting high street ones being the same as Balham, Clapham, Streatham and parts of Putney and Roehampton. The High-street colliers wood ones were the same as Mitcham. More Street lights along High Street Colliers Wood are now being replaced with energy savers, many of them already working although the old ones are still there for the moment . The replacements also extends into part of Christchurch Road. I am guessing the replacements is in connection to the refurbishment of the old Lyon building (tall black building in Colliers Wood) which is presently being stripped down and refurbished into flats. Meanwhile, the old 1950s/60's street lights along Green Lane are STILL there, though I am not sure which set are working as I passed there in the daytime. |
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Post by vjaska on May 20, 2015 23:09:41 GMT
I only just noticed last night that some of the the lampposts on the A24 between colliers wood and tooting Broadway stations have been/are being replaced by the energy saver versions, similar to what Lambeth have on Coldharbour lane but with longer necks. The weird thing is that the street lights being replaced are from high-street tooting (junction of Sittincourt Road) into high-street colliers wood (junction of Marborough Road), which means that section of the A24 will have the same lamppost designs for the first time since trolleybuses. The ones being replaced have similar designs except merton's were from the mid 70s whereas Wandsworth's were from the late 80s/early 90s. The 1950/60's concrete ones before them were also different designs between the two boroughs, tooting high street ones being the same as Balham, Clapham, Streatham and parts of Putney and Roehampton. The High-street colliers wood ones were the same as Mitcham. More Street lights along High Street Colliers Wood are now being replaced with energy savers, many of them already working although the old ones are still there for the moment . The replacements also extends into part of Christchurch Road. I am guessing the replacements is in connection to the refurbishment of the old Lyon building (tall black building in Colliers Wood) which is presently being stripped down and refurbished into flats. Meanwhile, the old 1950s/60's street lights along Green Lane are STILL there, though I am not sure which set are working as I passed there in the daytime. It seems like some outer London boroughs like Bexley, Bromley, Havering & Hillingdon are happy to either keep their lamppost stock going largely as it is or to refurbish the existing columns and just replace the lights instead. The only inner London boroughs that seem to be following their practice is Wandsworth & Greenwich. Apparently, Croydon have had major issues with their replacement program. I remember reading that there was a massive issue with disconnecting the old stock - that's why they are behind Lewisham who started their replacement program at the same time. The longer Croydon's 1950 & 60 lampposts survive, the happier I am lol. |
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Post by M1104 on May 20, 2015 23:56:47 GMT
More Street lights along High Street Colliers Wood are now being replaced with energy savers, many of them already working although the old ones are still there for the moment . The replacements also extends into part of Christchurch Road. I am guessing the replacements is in connection to the refurbishment of the old Lyon building (tall black building in Colliers Wood) which is presently being stripped down and refurbished into flats. Meanwhile, the old 1950s/60's street lights along Green Lane are STILL there, though I am not sure which set are working as I passed there in the daytime. It seems like some outer London boroughs like Bexley, Bromley, Havering & Hillingdon are happy to either keep their lamppost stock going largely as it is or to refurbish the existing columns and just replace the lights instead. The only inner London boroughs that seem to be following their practice is Wandsworth & Greenwich. Apparently, Croydon have had major issues with their replacement program. I remember reading that there was a massive issue with disconnecting the old stock - that's why they are behind Lewisham who started their replacement program at the same time. The longer Croydon's 1950 & 60 lampposts survive, the happier I am lol. I actually passed Green Lane earlier tonight on the fluke and found that the majority of the new lamp posts are working, though at least one that I remember had both the new and old working together. I must say that nearly all of the old stock appear to be in good nick despite being up to sixty years old. From memory there were about 10-15 of them still working. I'm with you in that I prefer the old lamp posts, especially in their silver livery with were giveaways that one's withing the borough of Croydon. Neighbouring Merton Council still have similar designs in the SW19/20 areas and Mitcham has two in Locks Lane (by Figgs Marsh roundabout) that never got upgraded with the rest. Despite the outer boroughs still having many older stock im still amazed at the number of concrete columns the borough of Sutton still have, including some good conditioned ones by Sutton Garage and Rose Hill/ St Helier. |
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2015 1:14:59 GMT
It seems like some outer London boroughs like Bexley, Bromley, Havering & Hillingdon are happy to either keep their lamppost stock going largely as it is or to refurbish the existing columns and just replace the lights instead. The only inner London boroughs that seem to be following their practice is Wandsworth & Greenwich. Apparently, Croydon have had major issues with their replacement program. I remember reading that there was a massive issue with disconnecting the old stock - that's why they are behind Lewisham who started their replacement program at the same time. The longer Croydon's 1950 & 60 lampposts survive, the happier I am lol. I actually passed Green Lane earlier tonight on the fluke and found that the majority of the new lamp posts are working, though at least one that I remember had both the new and old working together. I must say that nearly all of the old stock appear to be in good nick despite being up to sixty years old. From memory there were about 10-15 of them still working. I'm with you in that I prefer the old lamp posts, especially in their silver livery with were giveaways that one's withing the borough of Croydon. Neighbouring Merton Council still have similar designs in the SW19/20 areas and Mitcham has two in Locks Lane (by Figgs Marsh roundabout) that never got upgraded with the rest. Despite the outer boroughs still having many older stock im still amazed at the number of concrete columns the borough of Sutton still have, including some good conditioned ones by Sutton Garage and Rose Hill/ St Helier. Indeed, a lot of the older stock seemed to be well looked after despite their age so it's quite sad they are being replaced especially when a simple bulb change would of prolonged their life. Sutton seem to be slowly introducing new columns with LED lighting on some side roads so these concrete columns may not last for many more years which is a shame as they look in good nick and most are identical to the ones we had in Lambeth around 10 years ago, the only difference being that Sutton's collection are mainly short armed versions. Greenwich, Bexley & Havering still have large collections of concrete columns dotted around their boroughs and there doesn't seem to be any imminent replacements either which is good lol. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2015 13:05:05 GMT
An update of sorts:
The dreaded and horrible looking LED lights are vast spreading throughout London. The A12 through Havering lost its lights to LED's which included some lovely Philips MA's & the A127 in Havering also lost its lights.
Bromley have removed a lot of its Thorn Riviera style lights (roughly 10-15 years old) in favour of LED's & some Philips SGS203's have also been replaced though the majority seem to be staying. Some side roads have also gained LED's too.
Barnet have been introducing LED's around Golders Green & on the Hendon Way which removed some Philips MA's though most of their lamppost stock remains untouched being introduced in the PFI scheme in the 00's.
Lambeth have just recently installed LED's in Kennington for the junction works at Oval & the Post Office which led to the casualty of a twin armed Thorn Alpha 8 Mk1 column (no more survive now) and also Harleyford Road South & Kennington Oval received LED's replacing the only GEC 'Turtle' lights left in the borough. Google Maps show two remain standing among the cluster of horror LED's but I suspect they have gone by now. 12,000 odd LED's are expected for Lambeth to replace existing lighting beginning in September according to a document on the internet - work is expected to start in September. I hope my road keep its decent looking lights (wish I knew the name).
Wandsworth replaced the Urbis ZX2's on the dual carriageway section of Trinity Road with LED's earlier in the year and they've recently began replacing more Urbis ZX2's along Battersea Rise & Clapham Common North Side. Sadly, there was Wandsworth's last 5 Thorn Alpha 8 Mk2's also residing along there - another collection of lovely lights banished.
Merton has begun installing LED's around Colliers Wood replacing Urbis ZX2's & 3's and the LED's have crept up to the border with Wandsworth and in fact, passed right over. My hunch is the A3 could be next.
Richmond has just recently cleared out loads of Philips MA's from the A316 from Chiswick Bridge Road right down over Twickenham Bridge and beyond. However, there are a large number of Thorn Alpha 8's between Ham & Richmond that can be seen from a 65 and a small collection of Philips MA's near Hampton.
Hounslow's PFI earlier this year means it has more LED street lights than any other London borough and sadly removed so many lovely Philips MA's & Thorn Alpha 4's but there are still pockets of these around - a lot of junctions did not have new lights installed and some roads remain untouched. Thorn Alpha 4's were never around in droves but are even more scarce now - Havering has 3 just south of Romford Station and the remaining ones left in Hounslow - that's it.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 28, 2015 14:19:06 GMT
Thankfully the nearby* Borough of Sutton have many streets that time have forgotten for the moment as many concrete columns still exist with their original lamps. Other Boroughs in comparison have had many columns replaced twice over since the 70s and 80s.
* - from Mitcham
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2015 14:50:47 GMT
Thankfully the nearby* Borough of Sutton have many streets that time have forgotten for the moment as many concrete columns still exist with their original lamps. Other Boroughs in comparison have had many columns replaced twice over since the 70s and 80s. * - from Mitcham Hillingdon & Bexleyheath are like that too - good, sizeable numbers of concrete columns on side streets with elderly but lovely looking lights. Do you know if Sutton had a PFI during the 90's as a lot of main roads have columns with Urbis ZX2's on which would suggest the 1990's to me. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 28, 2015 15:07:31 GMT
When I was in Sutton I noticed quite a lot of new LED lights replacing Urbis ZXs, which is disappointing. I'm rather surprised Finchley Road didn't get LEDs which is great as there's a nice range of lanterns there plus loads of Thorn Alpha 8s! I do feel their days are numbered though. I don't mind LED lights, I just wish they weren't so ugly looking. They're nice on residential roads - in fact I have a new one outside my door. Still ugly though. If councils could consider retrofitting Phillips MAs with LEDs, that'd be great  ( Luton has already done something similar here with older lanterns) |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2015 16:24:37 GMT
When I was in Sutton I noticed quite a lot of new LED lights replacing Urbis ZXs, which is disappointing. I'm rather surprised Finchley Road didn't get LEDs which is great as there's a nice range of lanterns there plus loads of Thorn Alpha 8s! I do feel their days are numbered though. I don't mind LED lights, I just wish they weren't so ugly looking. They're nice on residential roads - in fact I have a new one outside my door. Still ugly though. If councils could consider retrofitting Phillips MAs with LEDs, that'd be great ( Luton has already done something similar here with older lanterns) Ahh is that must the one way system near Sutton Station? Yeah, Finchley Road right down to St. John's Wood has lots of Thorn Alpha 8's which is so refreshing. It's remarkable that every London borough had Thorn Alpha 8's at least 15 years ago and now, there are probably less Thorn Alpha 8's in London than Philips MA's which is remarkable. I can't stand LED street lights at all and I question how effective & reliable they are given I've seen a number of new ones not working partially or at all. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 28, 2015 16:32:35 GMT
When I was in Sutton I noticed quite a lot of new LED lights replacing Urbis ZXs, which is disappointing. I'm rather surprised Finchley Road didn't get LEDs which is great as there's a nice range of lanterns there plus loads of Thorn Alpha 8s! I do feel their days are numbered though. I don't mind LED lights, I just wish they weren't so ugly looking. They're nice on residential roads - in fact I have a new one outside my door. Still ugly though. If councils could consider retrofitting Phillips MAs with LEDs, that'd be great ( Luton has already done something similar here with older lanterns) Ahh is that must the one way system near Sutton Station? Yeah, Finchley Road right down to St. John's Wood has lots of Thorn Alpha 8's which is so refreshing. It's remarkable that every London borough had Thorn Alpha 8's at least 15 years ago and now, there are probably less Thorn Alpha 8's in London than Philips MA's which is remarkable. I can't stand LED street lights at all and I question how effective & reliable they are given I've seen a number of new ones not working partially or at all. Indeed so and there were some along the 151 around Wrythe Green and Rosehill. I remember Thorn Alpha 8s used to be a staple of lighting in the borough of Enfield, all but a few replaced with my least favourite light of all time - bowlless Industria Arcs. Quite a few of the LEDs around Potters bar don't work already, but that might also be due to the botched up midnight switch-off of lights which hasn't been programmed correctly. PB is starting to get a lot of them (replacing Iridiums mostly)  |
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 28, 2015 22:17:01 GMT
Ahh is that must the one way system near Sutton Station? Yeah, Finchley Road right down to St. John's Wood has lots of Thorn Alpha 8's which is so refreshing. It's remarkable that every London borough had Thorn Alpha 8's at least 15 years ago and now, there are probably less Thorn Alpha 8's in London than Philips MA's which is remarkable. I can't stand LED street lights at all and I question how effective & reliable they are given I've seen a number of new ones not working partially or at all. Indeed so and there were some along the 151 around Wrythe Green and Rosehill. I remember Thorn Alpha 8s used to be a staple of lighting in the borough of Enfield, all but a few replaced with my least favourite light of all time - bowlless Industria Arcs. Quite a few of the LEDs around Potters bar don't work already, but that might also be due to the botched up midnight switch-off of lights which hasn't been programmed correctly. PB is starting to get a lot of them (replacing Iridiums mostly) The Corporation of London slipped in a few new-type Alpha 8s when its favoured Urbis ZX3s weren't available. There were plenty of 'old' type Alpha 8s too, some were still affixed to the Fleet Building on Farringdon Street until that was pulled down about six months ago. Not sure if any others survive in the City. The Alpha 8s on the Finchley Road switch from the 'new' type to the old as the road passes from Camden into Westminster (though it is a bit of a mixed bag on both stretches - generally, though). There are still a few odd examples of the new type on Euston Road as well. I think the A110 Slades Hill/Enfield Road still has the Alpha 8s for now. And Solihull, Solihull is crawling with them. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2015 22:46:39 GMT
Indeed so and there were some along the 151 around Wrythe Green and Rosehill. I remember Thorn Alpha 8s used to be a staple of lighting in the borough of Enfield, all but a few replaced with my least favourite light of all time - bowlless Industria Arcs. Quite a few of the LEDs around Potters bar don't work already, but that might also be due to the botched up midnight switch-off of lights which hasn't been programmed correctly. PB is starting to get a lot of them (replacing Iridiums mostly) The Corporation of London slipped in a few new-type Alpha 8s when its favoured Urbis ZX3s weren't available. There were plenty of 'old' type Alpha 8s too, some were still affixed to the Fleet Building on Farringdon Street until that was pulled down about six months ago. Not sure if any others survive in the City. The Alpha 8s on the Finchley Road switch from the 'new' type to the old as the road passes from Camden into Westminster (though it is a bit of a mixed bag on both stretches - generally, though). There are still a few odd examples of the new type on Euston Road as well. I think the A110 Slades Hill/Enfield Road still has the Alpha 8s for now. And Solihull, Solihull is crawling with them. Yeah, I think the Mk2 Thorn Alpha 8's run from Swiss Cottage right near to Lord's whereas the Mark3's run from Swiss Cottage to just passed the Overground station on Finchley Road. There's three on Chapel Street near Hyde Park Corner and the odd example on Regent Street by the Pizza Hut at Piccadilly Circus. There's two Mk1 Thorn Alpha 8's without bowels on Crystal Palace Park Parade surrounded by Philips SGS203's. Enfield seems to be the place in London with the most - Hedge Lane, Aldermans Hill, Nag's Head Road, Lea Valley Road, Turkey Street & Cattlegate Road all have Mk3 Thorn Alpha 8's as well as your suggestion of Slade Hill/Enfield Road. Other notable places to have some is the road to access Beckton Sainsburys, Kingston Town Centre surrounding the station & Fairfield Halls, extending down to Kingston Hall Road. Portsmouth Road used to have them years ago but they've disappeared. Some still survive on Kennington Road between Kennington Lane & Kennington Park Road but I believe they are on extremely borrowed time. |
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