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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2014 9:45:58 GMT
I used the 312 for a few years whilst travelling to college and it was never packed enough to warrant double deckers because the 197 would take most of its passengers. The only time I had a rammed bus on the 312 was when MPD's PDL1-5 were at TC as I-Bus floats. LS's on the 12A often got rammed I can't speak for the 12A as I would of roughly been 6 years old when it got renumbered to 312 but since the 312 was chopped back from Peckham to Norwood Junction, it's single deckers have never been rammed. Seeing as the 12A was a much longer route, maybe that's why it was so busy?
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Post by sid on Aug 29, 2014 9:55:05 GMT
LS's on the 12A often got rammed I can't speak for the 12A as I would of roughly been 6 years old when it got renumbered to 312 but since the 312 was chopped back from Peckham to Norwood Junction, it's single deckers have never been rammed. Seeing as the 12A was a much longer route, maybe that's why it was so busy? The route lost a lot of custom when Tramlink opened
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 30, 2014 1:16:21 GMT
I remember the 12A. Even then, the route was busy between Peckham and Forest Hill, especially when the 12 was curtailed to Dulwich Plough in 1988, although it was supplemented by the 78. I miss riding those Leyland Nationals.
From what I recall, the original 312 replaced the 12A and part of 12B in September 1991.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 30, 2014 8:26:34 GMT
The 12A wasn't a longer route as it ran in section; Peckham to TC and Norwood Junction to Selsdon/old lodge lane so there would have been 2 routes between Norwood Junc and Croydon plus the 197 so probabaly more capacity was needed when the 312 started as the 2 routes were lost.
I'm not sure if the 12 freq to Norwood Junction as i don't think all 12s ran that far? Or where they started?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 30, 2014 11:02:15 GMT
The 12A wasn't a longer route as it ran in section; Peckham to TC and Norwood Junction to Selsdon/old lodge lane so there would have been 2 routes between Norwood Junc and Croydon plus the 197 so probabaly more capacity was needed when the 312 started as the 2 routes were lost. I'm not sure if the 12 freq to Norwood Junction as i don't think all 12s ran that far? Or where they started? The 12B was a long route mind, it operated from Peckham to Chipstead Valley. As for Route 12, I'm sure towards the end that it operated in two overlapping sections. NJ to Oxford Circus and Dulwich or Peckham to Willesden Garage. There were also journeys to Elmers End Garage.
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Post by sid on Aug 30, 2014 11:25:39 GMT
I remember the 12A. Even then, the route was busy between Peckham and Forest Hill, especially when the 12 was curtailed to Dulwich Plough in 1988, although it was supplemented by the 78. I miss riding those Leyland Nationals. From what I recall, the original 312 replaced the 12A and part of 12B in September 1991. It was September 1st 1990 when the 312 and 412 replaced the 12A/B
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Post by sid on Aug 30, 2014 11:28:53 GMT
The 12A wasn't a longer route as it ran in section; Peckham to TC and Norwood Junction to Selsdon/old lodge lane so there would have been 2 routes between Norwood Junc and Croydon plus the 197 so probabaly more capacity was needed when the 312 started as the 2 routes were lost. I'm not sure if the 12 freq to Norwood Junction as i don't think all 12s ran that far? Or where they started? The 12B was a long route mind, it operated from Peckham to Chipstead Valley. As for Route 12, I'm sure towards the end that it operated in two overlapping sections. NJ to Oxford Circus and Dulwich or Peckham to Willesden Garage. There were also journeys to Elmers End Garage. Not as long as the Sunday only 59 that once ran from West Hampstead to Chipstead Valley The 12 had quite a few overlapping sections, until the 12A was introduced in 1972 it ran from South Croydon Garage to Harlesden/Park Royal although I don't know whether any buses ever did it end to end.
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 30, 2014 14:17:09 GMT
The 12B was a long route mind, it operated from Peckham to Chipstead Valley. As for Route 12, I'm sure towards the end that it operated in two overlapping sections. NJ to Oxford Circus and Dulwich or Peckham to Willesden Garage. There were also journeys to Elmers End Garage. Not as long as the Sunday only 59 that once ran from West Hampstead to Chipstead Valley The 12 had quite a few overlapping sections, until the 12A was introduced in 1972 it ran from South Croydon Garage to Harlesden/Park Royal although I don't know whether any buses ever did it end to end. The 12 as I remember it from the 50's did Willesden Junction to Dulwich Plough, and Oxford Circus to Sth Croydon Garage. There were 'shorts' from Shepherds Bush and Willesden Junction to Park Royal Stadium when there was greyhound racing. Back in its glory days just after the war it ran from 6(!) garages with a PVR of 120+
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 30, 2014 15:41:56 GMT
What are the new Optare Metrocity EV's for the 312 going to be numbered?
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Post by sid on Aug 30, 2014 19:48:29 GMT
Not as long as the Sunday only 59 that once ran from West Hampstead to Chipstead Valley The 12 had quite a few overlapping sections, until the 12A was introduced in 1972 it ran from South Croydon Garage to Harlesden/Park Royal although I don't know whether any buses ever did it end to end. The 12 as I remember it from the 50's did Willesden Junction to Dulwich Plough, and Oxford Circus to Sth Croydon Garage. There were 'shorts' from Shepherds Bush and Willesden Junction to Park Royal Stadium when there was greyhound racing. Back in its glory days just after the war it ran from 6(!) garages with a PVR of 120+ I do recall on Sundays there was a through service from South Croydon Garage to Shepherds Bush in the late 60's and early 70's at least
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Post by Steve80 on Aug 31, 2014 3:34:03 GMT
The 12A wasn't a longer route as it ran in section; Peckham to TC and Norwood Junction to Selsdon/old lodge lane so there would have been 2 routes between Norwood Junc and Croydon plus the 197 so probabaly more capacity was needed when the 312 started as the 2 routes were lost. I'm not sure if the 12 freq to Norwood Junction as i don't think all 12s ran that far? Or where they started? According to my 1987 booklet, there were three journeys that did the full route from Peckham to Old Lodge Lane and another from Peckham to Purley and then direct to South Croydon Garage on Monday to Friday. Two full journeys on Saturday mornings only.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 31, 2014 10:42:05 GMT
What are the new Optare Metrocity EV's for the 312 going to be numbered? Your post and this reply should really be under "Arriva London" or "Electric Buses". The consultation wasn't about vehicles on route 312. The answer, from LOTS weekly update, is the vehicles will be numbered EMC1 and EMC2 and are not due until late September.
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 31, 2014 10:47:42 GMT
What are the new Optare Metrocity EV's for the 312 going to be numbered? Your post and this reply should really be under "Arriva London" or "Electric Buses". The consultation wasn't about vehicles on route 312. The answer, from LOTS weekly update, is the vehicles will be numbered EMC1 and EMC2 and are not due until late September. oh okay, thanks
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Post by routew15 on Sept 6, 2014 19:59:28 GMT
- quote from LOTS.
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Post by moz on Sept 6, 2014 21:45:05 GMT
I have vague memories of using this route and unfortunately I don't recall any good memories! I do remember it being very busy and at the time I couldn't understand why they were no double decks on it. Obviously, it went via the low bridge in Old Lodge Lane, Purley but I didn't know at the time as I was just a toddler There was a low bridge in Addiscombe (where the trams now cross) that was why the 12A and 12B (Sundays) also 289 was SMS then LS operated when the bridge was removed it then made it possible for double deck operation (I believe last day of 12B had an L running) to be replaced by 312 after operated by L's Also if I remember correctly it ran it two overlapping sections PM-TC and Norwood Junction-Selsdon (with a couple of journeys to Riddlesdown for school kids) I remember a TC driver telling me that the worst thing they did with the 12A/B was re-extending them from Forest Hill to Peckham as reliability simply dropped. The only reason they had to make the extension was because they cut the 12 back from Penge to Dulwich and replaced it with the 176 (which doesn't serve Peckham) and, for some odd reason, the 78 got sent through to Forest Hill, though I suspect that was more to do with stand space at Dulwich. Moz
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