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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2014 9:43:38 GMT
Some very extensive bus route changes are due on 7 July 2014 when the Tour de France hits town. TfL have now updated their website with a series of maps showing the extension of diversions / curtailments. linkHighlights include the 25 running express via the A12, no 241 / 262 / 473 at all, no buses on Lea Bridge Road, 123 running via the Billet and A406, several routes split in half (e.g. 339) or severely curtailed. I fear a lot of people will be caught out as local journeys won't be possible. |
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 11, 2014 10:17:16 GMT
Some very extensive bus route changes are due on 7 July 2014 when the Tour de France hits town. TfL have now updated their website with a series of maps showing the extension of diversions / curtailments. linkHighlights include the 25 running express via the A12, no 241 / 262 / 473 at all, no buses on Lea Bridge Road, 123 running via the Billet and A406, several routes split in half (e.g. 339) or severely curtailed. I fear a lot of people will be caught out as local journeys won't be possible. Being a natural born cynic whenever money and sport are mentioned in the same breath(Seth Blatter?  ) It can only be for money that the UK is now part of France, the organisers probably used a 1066 map or is this a LibDem plot to make us think we are all in Europe anyway, so don't let those nasty UKIP people tell you otherwise. To cut down on the chaos it will cause why not route them thru' the Crossrail tunnels?  |
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Post by snowman on Jun 11, 2014 11:45:54 GMT
At least with the Tour de France it has been routed through junctions with flyovers, so traffic can cross the route.
No-where near as disruptive as the Prudential bike ride via South West London which just blocked roads everywhere as it was routed along roads with flat junctions. Remember how the X26 had to be routed via the M25 to find a way around it, or how many bus routes had to be suspended completely for that (and apparently is happening again for another 4 years).
Le tour is a minor disruption in comparison (although it does fall on a weekday). Should be a good spectacle though with the caravan (the advertising floats etc) about 90 mins before the race.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 19:30:17 GMT
OK maybe I am reading the map and key wrong BUT it's not very clear in showing for example that routes 5 & 147 is terminating at Upton Park as the key shows routes in red as being in diversion.
Also as a passenger looking at this would you not assume for example the only bus serving Canning Town Bus station on that day is route 115? when in fact the 309/323 will still run there.
Also will routes 241, 262 and 473 start running once the race has finished or is it not practical to start running a service so late in the day?
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Post by routew15 on Jun 12, 2014 13:36:30 GMT
Also as a passenger looking at this would you not assume for example the only bus serving Canning Town Bus station on that day is route 115? when in fact the 309/323 will still run there. It's true, cause that was my initial thinking until I thought about it a second time. I think the non-effected route could of been shown in a light grey. |
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Post by routew15 on Jun 12, 2014 14:01:39 GMT
No-where near as disruptive as the Prudential bike ride via South West London which just blocked roads everywhere as it was routed along roads with flat junctions. Remember how the X26 had to be routed via the M25 to find a way around it, or how many bus routes had to be suspended completely for that (and apparently is happening again for another 4 years). Le tour is a minor disruption in comparison (although it does fall on a weekday). Should be a good spectacle though with the caravan (the advertising floats etc) about 90 mins before the race. I agree cause this distruption is only for approx. 8 hours which considerably shorter than Prudential Bike Race. However Prudential happens on a weekend in summer TdF is taking place on a Weekday before summer. I'm quite surprised it is only 3 routes that are not running at all, thought it would of atleast been 10 routes. It would have been so much better if the Tour de France was happening on Sunday the 6th of July Instead of Monday when people still need to go to school, work, etc. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 12, 2014 14:22:34 GMT
I have compiled a spreadsheet showing what I think are the changes for the TdF. This is from working across the various maps to try to work it out. I can't guarantee it's correct as I've already been informed the details for the 308 aren't quite right. I do think TfL would do well to publish a proper document that lists the changes and clarifies things like whether the 241, 262 and 473 will run once the race is past. The website is not at all clear on this point. It's also not clear if, as the race passes and roads reopen that routes will resume operation on "closed" sections and run as far as they can or whether the whole route has to be cleared before services resume. For example will the W15 run to, say, Whipps Cross if roads at Ruckholt Rd are still shut thus preventing operation to Hackney. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by class172 on Jun 16, 2014 18:44:49 GMT
The 473 could have still been run also the same with the 262 but it would go quite of route though
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 19:27:20 GMT
The 473 could have still been run also the same with the 262 but it would go quite of route though Really? It would be on almost 100% diversion so what would be the point when it wouldn't be able to serve anywhere of use to regular users. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 16, 2014 19:45:44 GMT
I attended the TfL TdF exhibition session today in the hope of being able to clarify what will run and what won't. No such luck as there was no master list available and the leaflets contain errors! The gent I was talking couldn't confirm anything in any detail and simply said people had to check on line / use Journey Planner.
He was rather shocked when I pointed out the errors in the leaflet - since when did the 375 run in Waltham Forest? There was also no clarity about what will happen with the 241, 262 and 473 on the day - do they run in the AM peak and then stop or not run until after the race has passed or simply not run at all? Having checked several journeys in the JP the results are wrong or misleading so that's no good. Most disappointing.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 16, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
I attended the TfL TdF exhibition session today in the hope of being able to clarify what will run and what won't. No such luck as there was no master list available and the leaflets contain errors! The gent I was talking couldn't confirm anything in any detail and simply said people had to check on line / use Journey Planner. He was rather shocked when I pointed out the errors in the leaflet - since when did the 375 run in Waltham Forest? There was also no clarity about what will happen with the 241, 262 and 473 on the day - do they run in the AM peak and then stop or not run until after the race has passed or simply not run at all? Having checked several journeys in the JP the results are wrong or misleading so that's no good. Most disappointing. That's the problem with these types of things - when my brother was at primary school around 2010, they gave out directions & transport options to get to Turney Road including a map of nearby Herne Hill and on this map, they had the 68A on it which was renumbered '468' back in 1999 and a '500' series route which Herne Hill hasn't had any - the only change to routes in Herne Hill since the 68A was renumbered to '468' is the withdrawal of Mobility Route 861 with its unique section via Milkwood Road, the extension of the 201 from Tulse Hill & the pedestrianisation of Railton Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 20:10:15 GMT
I attended the TfL TdF exhibition session today in the hope of being able to clarify what will run and what won't. No such luck as there was no master list available and the leaflets contain errors! The gent I was talking couldn't confirm anything in any detail and simply said people had to check on line / use Journey Planner. He was rather shocked when I pointed out the errors in the leaflet - since when did the 375 run in Waltham Forest? There was also no clarity about what will happen with the 241, 262 and 473 on the day - do they run in the AM peak and then stop or not run until after the race has passed or simply not run at all? Having checked several journeys in the JP the results are wrong or misleading so that's no good. Most disappointing. That's the problem with these types of things - when my brother was at primary school around 2010, they gave out directions & transport options to get to Turney Road including a map of nearby Herne Hill and on this map, they had the 68A on it which was renumbered '468' back in 1999 and a '500' series route which Herne Hill hasn't had any - the only change to routes in Herne Hill since the 68A was renumbered to '468' is the withdrawal of Mobility Route 861 with its unique section via Milkwood Road, the extension of the 201 from Tulse Hill & the pedestrianisation of Railton Road. The place where I work still shows route 15 and 15B to East Ham on certain publicity  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 20:16:16 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jun 26, 2014 20:54:32 GMT
An excellent document, seemingly produced by TfL, which is a state secret so far as their website is concerned. Heaven forbid that people might be given good information. I've asked TfL people several times to publish this level of information and they just refuse to do it. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 2, 2014 12:52:23 GMT
Scrolling message on I-Bus display on a 230 this morning to say the route is affected by Tour de France road closures on Monday. No audible message though which seems to be a shame. Worse the "cats" message played while the Tour de France message was scrolling. That sort of confused mess really should be banned as it could be confusing to people who have poor hearing / sight and rely on the other sense to work out what's going on. There really should be consistency on something which affects those with a disability. |
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) It can only be for money that the UK is now part of France, the organisers probably used a 1066 map or is this a LibDem plot to make us think we are all in Europe anyway, so don't let those nasty UKIP people tell you otherwise.
