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Post by rambo on Jul 5, 2014 21:05:18 GMT
Any bus as long as it works.
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Post by fl70500 on Jul 6, 2014 11:08:40 GMT
Well I'd say it depends on the gearing
if the first 3 gears are set close then they'll climb a hill like a speed hump
if the first 3 gears go long then they tend to be better on Duel carriageway/motorway
Personally
The Enviro both 200 & 400 are good at climbing hills
For High Speed single we just got DWs for W19s they are smooth and nice so they now get that vote, Double deck Scanias any body really
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Post by M1104 on Jul 6, 2014 11:57:50 GMT
Well I'd say it depends on the gearing if the first 3 gears are set close then they'll climb a hill like a speed hump if the first 3 gears go long then they tend to be better on Duel carriageway/motorway Personally The Enviro both 200 & 400 are good at climbing hills A good torque setting helps on hill climbs, even for buses with puny turbos.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 7, 2014 20:14:38 GMT
Having just been on a fast journey on TEH1450 on the 210, must say the E40Hs are fast but they really are not a patch on the 58 plates or Euro 6
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Post by thesquirrels on Jul 7, 2014 21:35:41 GMT
The early Reeve Burgess Darts (DR) went like stink. Foot flat to the floor and you could surprise many car drivers off the lights! Ahh, fond memories. Back to the questions: What single deckers is the fastest on dual carriageways/motorways? Heavy duty single buses such as the Citaro or the OmniCity are going to excel here because of their larger, more powerful engines. Because of their weight and larger wheels they will also be more steady to drive at high speeds as opposed to midibuses. I have driven Darts against the limiter on the motorway and found them to be skittish! IIRC Darts are limited to a top speed of 53mph anyway. I would be surprised if Citaros and the Omnicity were not capable of reaching 100kph. What single deckers is the best at climbing Hills? Again it would have to be a heavy duty bus like the Citaro or Omnicity. You've got remember a Dart has a small 3.9l 4 cylinder engine so might do ok unladen but not so with a lot of passengers on board. That little engine has a tough job! Perhaps an earlier 5.9l 6 cylinder Dart might fare better. What double deckers is the best at climbing Hills? Not sure but Mitchley Hill (Route 412) in Purley is a very good test of this! It would be cool to be able to test a variety buses on this route. The DLAs struggle the most - probably because of the age and wear on the engine. The DWs do marginally better and the Enviro 400s (T) make it up the fastest. Again it is probably age related. I'm sure a newly rebuilt engine in a DLA would perform a lot better. Other than that perhaps a Volvo Olympian Cummins L10? What double deckers is the fastest on dual carriageways/motorways? An East Lancs/Optare Olympus Volvo B9TL would be my bet. There are a fair few coach operators that own these and I see them from time to time with school parties on the motorway. Otherwise something like an unrestricted Euro 2 or Euro 3 Trident as mentioned by someone else. Again a Volvo Olympian - I remember reading somewhere that Ensign are particularly fond of their Alexander Royales because they are more than capable of doing motorway work too (I'm not sure if theirs are Cummins L10s?) I believe the Volvo Olympians stopped using the L10 engine from around N reg based on the examples Q had, their M reg single door Docklands buses having the Cummin engines whereas their N reg dual doored variants for the 35/40 having Volvo engines. The Reeves bodied Dennis Darts (DR/DRLs) did indeed move like 'the dogs b*****ks' on the road against the average cars. I don't know what the torque/horsepower specs were, but they would have given the MAN single Deckers a good run for their money, bearing in mind the DRL's were shorter in length. I believe Arriva South's latest Darts (before their E200s) have euro4 spec'd 4.5L engines as opposed to the 3.9L units in their euro3 examples. Another dangerously fast bus where the VC class Volvo city buses Stockwell had for the 133 and 196, until they were eventually governed. They were excellent shifters up the hills along the 196, Knights Hill in particular. I only ever got to use the VCs on the 133, where the stop-start trunk road conditions and heavy passenger flows didn't give much scope for fast running (during the day at least). Stop-start conditions, that is, until Streatham.. a late runner due for some sort of break would take Southcroft Road at some eyewatering speeds for a residential area. Merton Council eventually put in some calming measures along the road (probably not related!!..) but that just made the ride more lively!
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Post by M1104 on Jul 7, 2014 21:55:35 GMT
Southcroft Road is actually under the borough of Wandsworth, though it does run closely parallel with the Merton Council boundary.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 7, 2014 22:11:38 GMT
I believe the Volvo Olympians stopped using the L10 engine from around N reg based on the examples Q had, their M reg single door Docklands buses having the Cummin engines whereas their N reg dual doored variants for the 35/40 having Volvo engines. The Reeves bodied Dennis Darts (DR/DRLs) did indeed move like 'the dogs b*****ks' on the road against the average cars. I don't know what the torque/horsepower specs were, but they would have given the MAN single Deckers a good run for their money, bearing in mind the DRL's were shorter in length. I believe Arriva South's latest Darts (before their E200s) have euro4 spec'd 4.5L engines as opposed to the 3.9L units in their euro3 examples. Another dangerously fast bus where the VC class Volvo city buses Stockwell had for the 133 and 196, until they were eventually governed. They were excellent shifters up the hills along the 196, Knights Hill in particular. I only ever got to use the VCs on the 133, where the stop-start trunk road conditions and heavy passenger flows didn't give much scope for fast running (during the day at least). Stop-start conditions, that is, until Streatham.. a late runner due for some sort of break would take Southcroft Road at some eyewatering speeds for a residential area. Merton Council eventually put in some calming measures along the road (probably not related!!..) but that just made the ride more lively! If your skilled enough, you can still throw buses around the ridiculous calming measures - it's a shame you never got to take a VC on the 196 - drivers would regularly thrash them up Knights Hill.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 7, 2014 23:54:20 GMT
Well I'd say it depends on the gearing if the first 3 gears are set close then they'll climb a hill like a speed hump if the first 3 gears go long then they tend to be better on Duel carriageway/motorway There's a bit more to it than that. You'd be surprised to find that 3 speed buses can often maintain higher speeds going up hill than shorter geared 5 speed buses.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 8, 2014 7:16:03 GMT
Completely agree with all this - I still need to ride a Euro VI B5LH but I've heard one and they don't sound great. I like the very early E400H's (EH1-5/TEH915-919/ADH1-2) and the Euro VI ones but dislike the Euro V ones. SB200/DB300s aside I am not a overall fan of the euro 5 cummins unit in DD or SD(nor the euro 6 diesel which pretty much sounds the same as euro 5). The diesel is drab but the hybrids are alright, I am not a fan of the start stop examples on the 27 though. Euro 4 is my favourite for the 'modern' era of the cummins unit in double deckers. Euro 4/5 voith 6.7ltr in the SB200 is excellent, DB300 is decent, I don't understand why E400s are so boring compared. The 4.5 ltr euro4/5 in E200/Streetlites is dull as ditch water too, especially on voith. The 4.5 ltr euro 5 in the metrocity sounds good though. Want to see how the Merc Euro6 performs in the MetroDecker, especially on Voith I think LU will buy some of these to replace the aging TAs... I don't know when the StreetDeck, which also has a Merc engine, is coming out, Wright are being very quiet about this. The Voith MANs were quick on the 232, but I think they were limited. I used to love the Scania engined RMs on the 8, they were like sh*t off a shovel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 10:56:54 GMT
1) MAN MCV
2) Volvo B7RLE
3) Any Metroline TA or VW
4) VW, VWH, TEH
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Post by Volvo on Jul 8, 2014 13:52:14 GMT
SB200/DB300s aside I am not a overall fan of the euro 5 cummins unit in DD or SD(nor the euro 6 diesel which pretty much sounds the same as euro 5). The diesel is drab but the hybrids are alright, I am not a fan of the start stop examples on the 27 though. Euro 4 is my favourite for the 'modern' era of the cummins unit in double deckers. Euro 4/5 voith 6.7ltr in the SB200 is excellent, DB300 is decent, I don't understand why E400s are so boring compared. The 4.5 ltr euro4/5 in E200/Streetlites is dull as ditch water too, especially on voith. The 4.5 ltr euro 5 in the metrocity sounds good though. Want to see how the Merc Euro6 performs in the MetroDecker, especially on Voith I think LU will buy some of these to replace the aging TAs... I don't know when the StreetDeck, which also has a Merc engine, is coming out, Wright are being very quiet about this. The Voith MANs were quick on the 232, but I think they were limited. I used to love the Scania engined RMs on the 8, they were like sh*t off a shovel I thought voithjaska had the voith fetish bad, but your voith mad
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 8, 2014 17:04:14 GMT
Want to see how the Merc Euro6 performs in the MetroDecker, especially on Voith I think LU will buy some of these to replace the aging TAs... I don't know when the StreetDeck, which also has a Merc engine, is coming out, Wright are being very quiet about this. The Voith MANs were quick on the 232, but I think they were limited. I used to love the Scania engined RMs on the 8, they were like sh*t off a shovel I thought voithjaska had the voith fetish bad, but your voith mad I'm known to Voith my opinions on certain subjects I'll get my coat...
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Post by VPL630 on Jul 8, 2014 17:28:45 GMT
I just remembered this great bus that is good for anything
Volvo B10M/Alexander PS and in decker form the Volvo Citybus
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